russian tanks

[dogfood]

im just going to get right to the point.
tanks, especially the t34 are too good for how much they cost. not just the individual price but how much it takes to acquire tanks.
for example. from the start of the game to having 1 sherman on the field takes 245 fuel if just get the barracks supply yard and tank depot. also shermans are worse in every respect and each unit costs more. for the germans if they get panzer 4s as fast as possible (no wehr quarters no krieg barracks NO NOTHING) it takes 265 fuel and once again each unit cost more. the soviets only need 175 fuel to get a t34 on the field and each t34 is 15 fuel and 120 manpower less than a sherman and 5 fuel 110 manpower less than a panzer 4.

my problem isnt with the price of each unit so much as the cost to get there. if each t34 is so cheap it needs to cost considerably more to field your first one especially considering the t34 has about 10% more health and a gun (with 300 munitions) that does 25% more damage than the sherman and p4.

[CommissarGears]

I disagree entirely, Unvetted Panzer 4's always beat my unupgraded T34 in a head to head battle, the Panzer 4 generally having about 20-30% health left and Vet 2 or 3 vs my upgraded T34 with about 10%.  I can never even rely on the unupgraded T34 to beat Stugs. Its a crapshoot, sometimes i wont even bother buying a T34 and go right to the IS-2, or back up my T34 with a T-70 to micro around to their rear just to get the cutting edge in a fight.

[Oxygen]

I think that at least the Armoury building should cost 30 fuel, to delay some tech. Originally, wehr's vet building costed 30 fuel too, but it was removed due to the fact that the vet upgrades themselves consumed fuel. But that's not the case with the russians.

[Iglooman]

Only the IS 2 is a good tanks, wehr tank and paks eat the others one.

The SU are powereful but die easily.

The T34 is good only when spammed a lot.

The T70 is never used and the T90 is not that useful.

The ISU 150 is not that great : long time for reload, slowest tank in the game.

[Capt. Malashenko]

I think that at least the Armoury building should cost 30 fuel, to delay some tech. Originally, wehr's vet building costed 30 fuel too, but it was removed due to the fact that the vet upgrades themselves consumed fuel. But that's not the case with the russians.

You keep forgetting that Soviets can`t get that x2 fuel Germans get when they secure point`s with OP. In fact, if played right, Axis can get tanks faster then Soviets... But, what do I know, I always push with infantry.

The T70 is never used and the T90 is not that useful.

Must disagree, T-70 may not be very effective, but it is a great recon vehicle and can take resonable amount of damage from any unit, T-90 is VERY useful against all but the most elite infantry (I suggest using two of them together, then they really pack a punch).

[Soul.j]

Russian tanks are better int his patch, probly because of overall balance has being much much better then it was before.

also some tanks, like the IS -2 should not have such big blast of an attack like the tiger has. against infantry, most of the times one sh ort kills 2 or 3 man, where an panther only kills one, even at  vet3.
it should be the same as an panther.. against infantry.
since ant panzerthreks  should be just a little better against its back and side armour of T35 or IS2s...

[Capt. Malashenko]

Well, IS-2 was armed with A-19 122 mm gun, it`s main task was to fight infantry and especially German fortifications with high-explosive shell`s, so it`s not unreal it is so effective against infantry, but Panther should be a little more effective against Soviets , yes.

[firefree]

Not everything in this game has to be realistic... it is more about balance with relation to the other factions while keeping some idea of realism... but not realism for its own sake.

I just posted a new thread on the IS-2 I suggest reading about what happened to me in fighting those monsters.  They are way OP!

[Capt. Malashenko]

Ouhh, to Axis players everything is OP, more then once my IS-2 fell from PaK`s, not to mention tanks and arty.

[Oxygen]

I think that at least the Armoury building should cost 30 fuel, to delay some tech. Originally, wehr's vet building costed 30 fuel too, but it was removed due to the fact that the vet upgrades themselves consumed fuel. But that's not the case with the russians.

You keep forgetting that Soviets can`t get that x2 fuel Germans get when they secure point`s with OP. In fact, if played right, Axis can get tanks faster then Soviets... But, what do I know, I always push with infantry.

Right now people play mostly russians, but when players start mix factions, like rus+usa and rus+brits, then there will be secured points and rus will tech faster.
Also, PE very rarely secure points, and they have a lot of fuel expenses. And wehr rarely secure fuel points in maps without +10 or +16fuel sectors.

[Capt. Malashenko]

Even so, it takes time to deploy Soviet tanks, and the only real threat to Germans is IS-2 (wich is 150fuel btw) for that amount you can get 3 Marders or 2 Pz4`s and with no micro (head on) wipe it out.
Sov+Brit, now that could be a great combo, gotaa try that one

[hgghg4]

It hurts... bad... the Soviet trenches are not as strong as the brit trenches from what I have seen, so put the brit trenches with some Red Banner Strelky or two sniper teams... holy infantry rape

[DiegoTheGreat]

im just going to get right to the point.
tanks, especially the t34 are too good for how much they cost. not just the individual price but how much it takes to acquire tanks.
for example. from the start of the game to having 1 sherman on the field takes 245 fuel if just get the barracks supply yard and tank depot. also shermans are worse in every respect and each unit costs more. for the germans if they get panzer 4s as fast as possible (no wehr quarters no krieg barracks NO NOTHING) it takes 265 fuel and once again each unit cost more. the soviets only need 175 fuel to get a t34 on the field and each t34 is 15 fuel and 120 manpower less than a sherman and 5 fuel 110 manpower less than a panzer 4.

my problem isnt with the price of each unit so much as the cost to get there. if each t34 is so cheap it needs to cost considerably more to field your first one especially considering the t34 has about 10% more health and a gun (with 300 munitions) that does 25% more damage than the sherman and p4.

Huh.. i was thinking that the soviet tanks were way too expensive and underpowered. I mean, wasnt the main point of the soviets beating the germans that there tanks were cheaper and were mass produced?

[Capt. Malashenko]

If Panthers and Tigers (and even Pz4`s) would have a decent range, all would fit to it`s place, but right now, a damn 50mm Pak has bigger range then KT`s 88. T-34 are not expensive at all, and they can easily be countered by faust`s and schrecks

[dogfood]

im just going to get right to the point.
tanks, especially the t34 are too good for how much they cost. not just the individual price but how much it takes to acquire tanks.
for example. from the start of the game to having 1 sherman on the field takes 245 fuel if just get the barracks supply yard and tank depot. also shermans are worse in every respect and each unit costs more. for the germans if they get panzer 4s as fast as possible (no wehr quarters no krieg barracks NO NOTHING) it takes 265 fuel and once again each unit cost more. the soviets only need 175 fuel to get a t34 on the field and each t34 is 15 fuel and 120 manpower less than a sherman and 5 fuel 110 manpower less than a panzer 4.

my problem isnt with the price of each unit so much as the cost to get there. if each t34 is so cheap it needs to cost considerably more to field your first one especially considering the t34 has about 10% more health and a gun (with 300 munitions) that does 25% more damage than the sherman and p4.

Huh.. i was thinking that the soviet tanks were way too expensive and underpowered. I mean, wasnt the main point of the soviets beating the germans that there tanks were cheaper and were mass produced?

im sick the 'realism' argument, BALANCE is more important. whats next the fuel cost of each vehicle is based on how many miles per gallon it gets? on a side note, about the same amount of shermans and t34s were produced in ww2. more than 50000 sherman medium tanks with MANY more variants.