Soviet Union is not so OP!

[Iglooman]

I have seen many people complaining about this game. I recognize that russians are Op but not that much.

Wehr was the op faction before came russians, pe and brits are underpower and ami can face wehr from early to mid end game. But when people saw that wehr was not that stronger, they started to just complaine instead of trying to find new strategies. I focus more on 2vs2 and more, 1vs1 is impossible for pe and hard for wehr (depends on the map).

-The russian mortar, a bit op ok, it should be less accurate but have you seen its range? Easy to counter : mortar, nebels or make a fast attack with flammers supported by mgs (just be careful against the commisar arty)

-Sturmkoviks and God Of war, ok thoses things are totally op, free (even if it needs a lot of cps) but many time before you can use it again. They can own all your army in a second.  V1 costs 150 munition, there is time before being able to use it again but not that powerful. The only choice when you fight against it, is to back up.

-IS 2 ,  make the manpower increase to 600 and a bit less resistant to panthers. Then, i think it should be ok.  In fact, panthers  with paks are very useful against this tank.

- ISU 152, OP? Not at all. Ok very resistant and powerful but it takes 15 seconds before shooting again. The only thing devs should do is to hardcapped it at 1 and decrease the price to 500 but the manwpower income will be divided by 2 during the same amount of time as King Tiger.
If you face it, flank it with panthers or get stormtroppers or just grens to schreck it by flanking it.

-Katiouchas OP? Cost 300 hardcapped at 3 right now but you have to be close to the target if you want to kill "a few" ennemis. It does not shot many rockets, it is not really accurate and it is not resistant at all : nebels, mortars coutner it and even pios!

I had a game yesterday : they were 2 ruskis ( propaganda and tank) , one ami(tank) and one brit (arty) = terrible combinaisons. We were 3 wehr and 1 PE. They were not bad lvl 10/11 ranked. We were not bad (im lvl 15 ranked wehr ). I have to recognize that the early game was crucial : we needed this fuel and without that i could not make 3 panthers with nebels. I had no infantery apart from pio flammers vetted. The game last 2 hours, sturmkoviks owned a lot of panthers but in the end we won, mates were flanking with stormtroppers ,we had 2 KT ; 1 tiger and 1 jagd.

What I mean is that even if the game seems too op sometimes, you mustn't surrender.
Remember that if you play low ressources, russians will always play conscrits spam that can be countered by mgs volks, and the early game is very important for both opponents. If russians get fuel you will face fast t34, if you get it, you can tech up faster and get panthers or nebels.
Devs will certainly fix the problems (btw nice work , love EF ) but right now, just "do with what you have".

[Saavedra]

-Katiouchas OP? Cost 300 hardcapped at 3 right now but you have to be close to the target if you want to kill "a few" ennemis. It does not shot many rockets, it is not really accurate and it is not resistant at all : nebels, mortars coutner it and even pios!

People seem to think that the Katyusha is the equivalent of the Calliope. It is not. To do any noticeable damage, you have to MASS THEM, which will require a lot of mp and pop. They seem to be more of a psychological weapon, and at that they work, but they lack actual effectiveness. I had four infantry squads bombarded by three Kats at the same time, and I only had to retreat two of them. The rest suffered maybe one dead. The barrages were spot on.

What I mean is that even if the game seems too op sometimes, you mustn't surrender.

Yeah, good luck with that. Whiney bitches will drop when the Russians get the upper hand. Thing is, Soviets ALWAYS get the upper hand at the start through sheer infantry spam. I´m playing PE and my second game saw the Russians reaching my base. The same thing happened to another player. However, both of us teched up and beat them back easily.

Early Russian units are shit, they only win by outnumbering. What you need to do is upgrade your infantry so they can kill more, with MP44s, LMGs and the like. Then, the Russian player just won´t be able to defeat you with infantry spam. At that point he will start getting tanks, and that´s where your own come into play.


If you fight it to the end, you will find Axis can beat back the Russians no matter how far they got. But good luck finding Axis players not used to easy victories.

[DiegoTheGreat]

I never thought of the russians as OP.
ive tried playing(Expert Comps) 4v4 against all russian and all Wehr and i am always smashed.
This could be fault of mine alone...
but the inf spams cant stand up to armored cars and mass Stugs

[Iglooman]

Now with the patch, people can't say that Soviet Union is too overpowered.

[SoccyBE]

Now with the patch, people can't say that Soviet Union is too overpowered.

then you play a diff EF-mod then the 1 i play. I played this morning 12 skirmishes as PE with expert comp as WE vs 2 exp comp on Tannenberg, won not 1 game. Even with high resorces as normal.
I just played a basic 2vs2 on Tannenberg again vs 2 russians and we were wiped out again.

Dont say they are not overpowered, they are also outnumbering the axis-army....

[CerealKiller]

If you can't beat computer players that's not the mods fault, also the expert ai cheats like hell, and why would high resources make it easier??

Company of Heroes is a Multiplayer game, playing with bots or campaign is just for practice.

[Iglooman]

The IA exp cheats as cereal said. You can win it but it is hard.

Then try to play IA exp Wehr with Soviet Union and then come back because if you can't win Soviet Union ia exp you won't win Wehr IA exp.

Moreover, soviet union has no logistic :
-can't recrew its unit
-can't op ressources
-can't retreat unit
-can't vet unit (ameliorations can't be considered as vet because vet should give bonus).

If you can't beat soviet union don't say "Ah it is op" but say "My strategy may be bad, I may have done something wrong". Save your replay and watch it. 
Then, try to play against very good Wehr players with Soviet Union.

[bastex]

igloo they have vet .... conscripts vet 0 strelkies vet 2 guard vet 3

[Iglooman]

"ameliorations can't be considered as vet because vet should give bonus" This is what I said.

Yea you are in a way right but those are different units (guards>strelkies>conscripts).

IS 2 for example can't not be vetted, T70 T90 too, T34 get a better gun as the sherman, anti tanks soldier get 1 ptdr more etc...