2nd reworked Ostheer by Lord Rommel

[imamortician]

didn't mean to be obnoxious. the elefant definately has a historical and asthetical value that would simbolise a german army. Was just thinking out load so to speak.

[Rokossovski]

I think a nashorn would be more sensefull , because it was more effective then the elefant , maybe you could use it as a distance pak , but on the other side a elefant would be more spectacular.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

The sHeeresPzJgAbtl. 653 destroyed nearly 1000 tanks and a unknown number of anti-tank guns during their eastern front deployment  This are all numbers and numbers xD

In my opinion the symbolic value is much stronger because when u work with "popular literature" and other "light military journals" ( i hope u understand xD ) u will most found something about the Ferdinand at the eastern front then about Nashorn.

Perhaps later one someone will finde a place for the Nashorn in a concept xD

[Rokossovski]

I must say i agree with you and your opion that the Ostheer should not have a Sturm or Jagttiger , because that very might , but not usefull ,cumbersome unit. and they simply did not fight at the Ostfront.

Ps:but they where commanded by the OKH.So when the Ostheer is the OKH it would make sense , but nevertheless i think they are not good for the gameplay. (I played them in other mods)

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

What did OKH oO

[imamortician]

the okh was the german high command.

i think a stug III should def be included in the ostheer though as it was the most common german afv of the war. would be good as an early-mid game piece of medium armour. 

[spyther]

Lord Rommel, I noticed you are reusing several unit types like Panzer Grenadier units and Fallschirmjager units.  I think this is a cool idea, and I like how you're bringing in elite infantry units, such as Grossdeutschland (Ever read "The Forgotten Soldier?  Great book about that division.) , but rather than seeing another Sniper for this army, perhaps you could instead use Gebirgsjager infantry for this role?

Please see my post here for my ideas: newbielink:http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=2401.0 [nonactive]

Thanks!

[Rokossovski]

OKH = Oberkommando Heer was the eastern front command , because the OKH commanded only the troops on the main front.(Wien and Warsaw are at these front too.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberkommando_des_Heeres
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberkommando_des_Heeres
If you take the OKH as a separate Military organization ( as a "Oberkommando") the organization bigger than a "Heeresgruppe",which you could do in this special case , you could justify the use of the twice tigers.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

I know very good the german army organisation
( I worked a lot of years with all this stuff xD
so u need not to inform me about "my" army )
But i dont understand what do u want to signal me with the OKH in combination with Elefant, Jagdtiger and Sturmtiger oO

All this three tanks were never under OKH command. They were organized in Abteilungen or Kompanien ( here just the Sturmtiger with the 2 Sturmmörser-Kompanien ) and this formations fight under control of a division, army corps, army or Heeresgruppe...so i cant find the link between OKH and this heavy units Oo


@spyther:
My problem is that my sniper should do the work of a sniper. When i call this unit Gebirgsjäger then it could confuse other gamers because under the topic of the Gebirgsjäger most will understand infantryunits which were trained for mountaincombat and not for snipering or other
operations So i think i will name this unit Scharfschütze.


@imamortician:
I had included the StuG III but in my concept it should not be a weak unit, it should be a strong tankdestroyer unit or better an effectiv tankdestroyer unit.

[Xantor]

The best concept of Ostheer that i had seen in this forum! Good job:)

I really like Your ideas, like Stug III or Panzer III, but I think that instead of Marder II there should be a Marder III from PE- it's slightly more better than Marder II and can be good counter against IS-2. I'm worried about The better version of King Tiger- with better turret it will be able to take out Is- 2 with 3-4 shots- and when you use TERROR! ability number of shots required to destroy IS-2 will be only 2-3!

Also, You should think about fighting against "old" factions- The Brits wouldn't be able to stop Elefant or KT with Brens, due to their FEAR! ability.

[Rokossovski]

I do not understand, is it not so that the OKH kommanded the Army groups(Heeresgruppen) ?

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

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Ps:but they where commanded by the OKH.So when the Ostheer is the OKH it would make sense , but nevertheless i think they are not good for the gameplay. (I played them in other mods)

I dont know what u mean with this part 

And with german army structure:
division -> army coprs -> army -> Heeresgruppe -> OKH -> OKW.
And from 1944 OKW take less control about eastern front so that this theater were "mostly" controlled by OKH ( under Generaloberst Heinz Guderian ).
Edit: That was the "ideal case" but Hitler interrupt this commandsystem so often that at the end neither OKW nor OKH could give orders absolutely.

[Rokossovski]

First i saw the OKH as a Command unit over the Armygroup and so i thought that the Ostheer is these Army group the OKH.the Sturmtiger was in Warsaw and the troups were commanded by the OKH/Ostheer "Unit".

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Ah okay. Hm. I think this much too abstract. OKH was a strategic unit which command the hole theater.

For me it is important that all my weapons were used
against the red army 

[Rokossovski]

One question to your sniper is he able to become invisible ?