For the Balance team, Fix game mechanics, not units. Plz read balance team.

[cts321]

the thing is that in coh reg the units are counters of each other a sherman unupgraded is equal to a same vet stug while upgraded it is equal to a panzer IV the the panther being there for a better armor unit so as to reflect the better german tanks that is why half the people like coh the basic american unit is equal to 1 unit but can be upgraded to equal the next in line with the germans always having a better

volk=rifle squad grendiers=bar riflemen knight cross beats both
stug=sherman panzer IV=upgraded sherman panther beats sherman
m8=puma armored m8=upgunned puma the new armored car in tov<flackpanzer

but the americans have a trick up there sleeve the m10-18 to flank and ambush tanks and the croc was suppost to beat infentry

[Iglooman]

"11. The ISU needs a damege output nerf.
12. The katyusha neeeds to be a later game unit, and cost more MP."

I totally disagree : ISU takes 15 seconds before shooting again and it is easy to flank it with schrecks or Panther.

The katyusha is shit, easy to counter (mortar nebel or even pios can kill it), has not many rockets, hardcapped at 3, don't make many damage (unless you spam spam spam a lot but that is a bit noob.

"10. T34 should cost 400mp and 80 fuel."

Not at all Panzer 4 owns T34 and panzer 4 can be vetted, T34 not, that tank is not resistant; pak from t2 owns it and its power against infantery is limited.

With the last patch Soviet union is no more overpowered. If you can't beat it, it means that you have to find another strategy.

[maddog0002]

"10. T34 should cost 400mp and 80 fuel."

Not at all Panzer 4 owns T34 and panzer 4 can be vetted, T34 not, that tank is not resistant; pak from t2 owns it and its power against infantery is limited.

Ok, stop, the T34 is not shit, have you ever used one, they have some brilliant anti infantry capability, and even more so when they are ungunned. Not to mention they can get a global upgrade that makse their main guns a shit load more effective.

With the last patch Soviet union is no more overpowered. If you can't beat it, it means that you have to find another strategy.

I can beat them, but that doesn't mean that they are not OP still, I was playing vs 2 lv8 russian players the other day, I should have handed their areses to them, but instead I was uber spammed by about 15 squads of conscripts from both russians together, this was after about the 2-3 min mark. And i was pushed back by their free arty and noob spam, ended up being a long game, were (I was PE) I was able to call in 4 panthers and a jag panther and my allie (Who was pretty shit) built lots of ostwinds (And lost all of them in the end) to help with killing the infantry, and we only JUST finished their spam and tank spam up.

I Have a replay if ya want it, but the point is if I can only JUST beat two noobie lv8s, then russians are OP still.

[Chancellor]

"10. T34 should cost 400mp and 80 fuel."

Not at all Panzer 4 owns T34 and panzer 4 can be vetted, T34 not, that tank is not resistant; pak from t2 owns it and its power against infantery is limited.

Ok, stop, the T34 is not shit, have you ever used one, they have some brilliant anti infantry capability, and even more so when they are ungunned. Not to mention they can get a global upgrade that makse their main guns a shit load more effective.

With the last patch Soviet union is no more overpowered. If you can't beat it, it means that you have to find another strategy.

I can beat them, but that doesn't mean that they are not OP still, I was playing vs 2 lv8 russian players the other day, I should have handed their areses to them, but instead I was uber spammed by about 15 squads of conscripts from both russians together, this was after about the 2-3 min mark. And i was pushed back by their free arty and noob spam, ended up being a long game, were (I was PE) I was able to call in 4 panthers and a jag panther and my allie (Who was pretty shit) built lots of ostwinds (And lost all of them in the end) to help with killing the infantry, and we only JUST finished their spam and tank spam up.

I Have a replay if ya want it, but the point is if I can only JUST beat two noobie lv8s, then russians are OP still.

I have no choice but to agree with him...

[hgghg4]

I second this

[WhiteFlash]

I third this

[iverieli]

What some people here dont understand is the developers or this expansion mod know what they are doing a lot better than you do.

For all the axis players crying about how OP the Soviets are, just need better strategy and counters. Because I've already seen excellent counters and strategy against Soviets.

The 1.01 patch actually nerfed and balanced the Soviets quite well, with only a couple of exceptions.

[ThreeAngryInches]

What some people here dont understand is the developers or this expansion mod know what they are doing a lot better than you do.

For all the axis players crying about how OP the Soviets are, just need better strategy and counters. Because I've already seen excellent counters and strategy against Soviets.

The 1.01 patch actually nerfed and balanced the Soviets quite well, with only a couple of exceptions.

Incorrect.  They know the ins and out of the engine better.  They know how to code and modify the engine better.  But they have next to zero knowledge of balancing their faction around the game mechanics of CoH...

They should have came up with a detailed faction design and given it to a panel of "EXPERT" CoH players who have a very strong understanding of every fundamental skillset.  I'm willing to bet that some of their ideas would have went through and others canned almost immediately.

In the first day and part of the day after this expansion was released, a friend and I have created an entire faction design that would work very well and have enough differences to have a separate playstyle from the other factions...We might even set out to create our own mod to add in some new factions (we took ideas from Easternfront and combined them with ideas of our own)

[Iglooman]

"10. T34 should cost 400mp and 80 fuel."

Not at all Panzer 4 owns T34 and panzer 4 can be vetted, T34 not, that tank is not resistant; pak from t2 owns it and its power against infantery is limited.

Ok, stop, the T34 is not shit, have you ever used one, they have some brilliant anti infantry capability, and even more so when they are ungunned. Not to mention they can get a global upgrade that makse their main guns a shit load more effective.

With the last patch Soviet union is no more overpowered. If you can't beat it, it means that you have to find another strategy.

I can beat them, but that doesn't mean that they are not OP still, I was playing vs 2 lv8 russian players the other day, I should have handed their areses to them, but instead I was uber spammed by about 15 squads of conscripts from both russians together, this was after about the 2-3 min mark. And i was pushed back by their free arty and noob spam, ended up being a long game, were (I was PE) I was able to call in 4 panthers and a jag panther and my allie (Who was pretty shit) built lots of ostwinds (And lost all of them in the end) to help with killing the infantry, and we only JUST finished their spam and tank spam up.

I Have a replay if ya want it, but the point is if I can only JUST beat two noobie lv8s, then russians are OP still.

Ok 3 shots of pak (T2) = dead T34 (T2.5) . Not that hard to counter, then if you play grenadiers spam, im sorry for you but try something else. Or just send 2 grenadiers with schrecks and you own the T34

Well you say level 8 = noob. Listen, you can be beaten by lower levels than you; that can happen. Im actually lvl 15 ranked 2vs2 wehr with 2 accounts  and lvl 14 with 3 other accounts (lvl 13 1vs1). I have already lost against lvl 10 and I don't cry. Same I have good levels with allies or PE (13/14 ranked) and even if I lose against wehr,  ; I don't go cry "ahhhhhhhh op op op". That is the game.  And since I won against better than I (lvl 16/17) the wehr is not that OP. Lower levels can rank up you know, they can improve ; you are not lvl 8 all your life and maybe they were smurf.

It is the same with Soviet Unoion. The game came out last week and already people complains because they don't know how to own soviet union. They were a bit op (actually the op things were IL2 and God Of war), a patch came, the game is globbaly balanced (maybe there are little things to buff or to nerf)  but still you can't win?! What do you want an easy win? Where is the fun?  I have actually played 3 game with wehr without the patch, I won the 3 games (it wasn't always easy) . Maybe my opponents were not always very good but anyway, I had fun.

Remember : never surrender!

[hgghg4]

1 PE Gren SQuad 255 MP
1 Conscript Squad 200 MP

Yes one on one hands down the Gren will win BUT by time you have 3 Gren Squads the Russians have 1 Command Squad and 3 Conscript squads at the front and another building, they just outnumber them. I saw this when my buddy and I where playing (I was Wehr) I went for a combo Gren PaKs to deal with the T34s it worked... until Shock Guards came along and the two nade throw destroyed 6 Grens (Not squads but actual troops) Vet 3 when he had 6 squads and I had 3... I don't mind the nades being so powerful but it should only be 1 nade not two and the cooldown should be 15seconds longer....and now your gonna say "Your just butt hurt cause you get pwned by the soviets"

my response to that is... I want a challenge when I play as Soviets instead of knowing that all I have to do is Spam Conscripts till I have Shock Guards and IS2...

[maddog0002]

 

Well you say level 8 = noob. Listen, you can be beaten by lower levels than you; that can happen.

No you listen, lv8 is noob ok, simple as that, and I beat them too, what I'm saying is that I only just beat them, and I didn't mention that we had high resourses on, which is an extreamly axis favoured game setting, and even so, we were still losing the entire game untill I got out my first panthers, we only one because they got scared because of how many t34s they were losing, not realising that they probably would have won if they played on.

the game is globbaly balanced (maybe there are little things to buff or to nerf)  but still you can't win?! What do you want an easy win? Where is the fun?  I have actually played 3 game with wehr without the patch, I won the 3 games (it wasn't always easy) . Maybe my opponents were not always very good but anyway, I had fun.

Why the fuck would I want an easy win against everyone? I want a chalenging game against people of equivelt or better skill level, not against some noobs. Do you know anything about balance?
 the game is not globaly balanced.

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

had high resourses on, which is an extreamly axis favoured game setting

High ressources favours factions with high spam rates i.e. low unit prices and fast prodution speeds. Guess which faction benefits from this.

I give you a tip: the factions name end with viets.

No wonder you got overrun by loads and loads of conscripts. Do not suggest balance changes not based upon standard game settings (VP 500, standard ressources)-

[maddog0002]

High ressources favours factions with high spam rates i.e. low unit prices and fast prodution speeds. Guess which faction benefits from this.

Yes, and it also favours Axis because it alows you to tec much quicker.

No wonder you got overrun by loads and loads of conscripts. Do not suggest balance changes not based upon standard game settings (VP 500, standard ressources)-

Problem with that is all these basic matchers just want to play this HRs no VP bs, I havent got a VP 500 Standard game yet. And even without HRs it is still posible to get lots of conscripts.

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

Faster teching does not help you against the soviet at all.

Teching offerings the possibility to "spam" vet 0 grenadiers, which are only slightly better than volks, at least without vet. While your opponent got 3 squads advantage by building his t1 force + the higher capping rate + more time to cap.

Spam > teching. To counter soviets @ high ressources go dual WQ Volk/MG in WQ1 and Volk/MG in WQ2 then 3rd mg and tech.


Not being able to play standard games does not justify changing the soviets.

[maddog0002]

Faster teching does not help you against the soviet at all.

Ummmm, the resons we won the game was because, thanks to the high reasorses, we were able to get 2 ostwinds out within the 10 min mark and massacre their spamming infantry, this is due to my allie being able to tec up to T4 much faster than he would have if it were standard reourses.

Faster tecing, and there for being able to pump out better units earlyer than your enemy, is the difference between winning and loseing in high ranked games.

Not being able to play standard games does not justify changing the soviets.

I have played many skirmishes with the proper settings on, and just today I have already played at least 10 games with the proper game settings on, and I can tell you now, this has not effected what I believe should be on my initial post.