Panzer Elite Strategies.

[luz777]

At the moment PE seem like the side that has most trouble dealing with the Red Army, so post up your strategies to help out other members of the Kampfgruppe who are having trouble 

My very basic advice is, MP44's and Marder III's are your best friends, Panther Battlegroup is also a lifesaver and if used right can help swing the game in your favour.

Anyone else?

Cheers

[Zamiel]

The best strategy for PE right now is to exit the game and reroll as Wehr.  Seriously though, in a 1v1 game, the odds are stacked super heavy against PE.  Probably the best bet is to go Luft and throw down a Wirbelwind as soon as you can, but that takes 4 CP's so it's not really ideal, but at least you'd have the flak turret to tide you over until then.  Depending on the size of the map, a very early halftrack rush into the Red base might work, that way you can stop the terror of the PTRDs/Snipers before they become unbeatable.  Things not to do are scout car/armor car spam, as they will almost certainly be blobbed or anti-tank owned.  The standard PE blob will also get Rick roll'd by snipers so that isn't an option either.

Overall, the only way I see PE winning right now is if there is a significant gap in skill between the players, in favor of Axis. 

[luz777]

Aye, that was the idea of the thread. Just to scrape together any amount of knowledge that might help out.

[ford_prefect]

flak cannons
flak cannons
and flak cannons

[LeRagpicker]

die to mortars way to easily.
i see no way to win with pe in a 1v1 vs a guy who has a at least tiny bit of micro

[Alexander 'ApeMen' J.]

I have the best experiences made with the G43. Then the Russians fall like a fly.

[Saavedra]

G43s, MP44s, Schrecks, and support in the form of Marders and halftracks (reinforcement AND suppression).


Not much else to say, really.

[Toorstain]

I don't know about 1v1, but in 2v2 PE kicks ass if you are playing with wher. (Even though I have only played skrimish so far ).

Choose luftwaffe or tank destroyer. Luftwaffe because soviet has the only units in the entire game that actually gets pwned hard by luftwaffe infantry (). And the flak cannon can destroy mostly ANY of the soviet tanks. (marders help too) wirbelwind cannons are also good, but the wirbelwind tank gets destroyed pretty quickly if the soviets got tanks or AT.

Tank destroyer because of the jagdpanther, it kills any IS-2 or SU-tanks, but keep it covered with some repair-men. And the duble-shreck is overkill against soviet tanks. put two upgunned tank-buster squads together, and they destroy a t34 in their first shot. also teller mines are quite effective.

also remember to get shrecks as quickly ass possible, since soviet tanks come quickly. and when you play against a soviet blob, your units levels like hell, and pesky conscripts can't harm elite-troops . And always remember that a mortar halftrack can fire-bomb a blob into oblivion.

and when I have played, I have always got pushed back to my base, but manged to counterattack and win.
AND WATCH OUT FOR IL-2s!!!

[SiopaoBrigade]

I have to agree with the Marder tactic, but that becomes useless once they spam IS-2s and T34s with lots of unupgraded conscripts supporting them.

I don't upgrade my conscripts so i can make full use of the population for tanks.


Mortar halftracks are really useful. I wouldn't rely on the motorcycle tactic though, because i saw 5 (unupgraded)conscript squads take down 3 motorcycles by rushing them.

[Fallen]

1on1 pe just can't win,no way...

[Saavedra]

and when I have played, I have always got pushed back to my base, but manged to counterattack and win.
AND WATCH OUT FOR IL-2s!!!

Same here. It seems you just can´t win against infantry spam without MP44s, so you will be pushed back until you get those.


Also, Marder spam does work. They are cheap enough that you can get as many as possible, and lock them down to receive T-34 attacks. If you have a cloaked Ketten forward, you give them extra range.

I strongly recommend, though, that you place one Marder in a flanking position so it will get side-shots at the T-34s if they try to flank the one you place in the center of your main line of defense.

[maccollo]

Haven't played 1v1 with PE yet, but 2v2 combined with wehr they got some invaluable units. However all of this assumes you got a wher player baking you up with HMGs. Also the map I play mostly is kursk.
So this is what I usually do:

1: Go luftwaffe:
If you're playing with high resources, the luftwaffe infantry will help balancing the numbers out a little bit.

The kettengrad cloak to scout for marders and mortar halftrack.

The wirbelwind provides a good alternative to the P4, which makes it possible to get marders and anti-infantry before they get their T34.

2: get a mortar halftrack. It does wonders against the masses of conscripts and engies that form early game, especially when they bunch up in trenches like the ones on kursk. It will also take care of anti-tanks and mortars, which is especially effective against the soviets because they can't recrew them.

3: After the MHT, go straight for schreks or marders. Marders are really effective for once. Since you can pinpoint the T34 through the fog of war it makes them easy to ambush using the marders full range (preferably with cloaked kettens spotting for them)

If all goes well and you don't loose your vehicles you should have you panthers on the field before they got their IS-2. If you still have your marder the IS-2 will have no chance against the panthers with it supporting them.

edit*
all these things do not take into account soviet players that exploit the balance issues Then you seem to be fucked no matter what.

[doomlord52]

Ok, i just tried a 2v2 as PE (wehr team-mate) vs. a Soviet + US team. We DOMINATED them.

PE is probably the BEST faction to use against Soviets, as their infantry just MAULS them horribly. Literally, i just left a single G43 squad behind green cover, and killed about a dozen conscripts before loosing a single man.

Luft is definately the way to go, as everything about it is EPIC vs. Soviets. The Flak 36 just destroys early game soviet inf. and the 88 is just an area-of-denial system against soviet tanks. That thing just EATS T-34 tanks. (Ok, i left a ketten spotting for it.

As for ISU-152s, OK, they are harder to kill, and may be a bit OP. I mean, come on, they survive direct V1s (5% bug i think). Anyway, to kill them, use the henschle run. THe ISU-152 is to slow to get out of the area, so you can literally kill one for about 200 muni. In this game, they had TWO ISU-152 tanks on the field at once (i thought it was hard capped at 1), and I literally got them both down to 5% health in a single strafing run. My team-mate then called in a firestorm, and killed them both (well, the last henchle shot tied the firestorm on the 2nd ISU).

By far, soviet tanks are NOT OP vs. PE. Finally, PE is actually a VERY good faction to play

[Saavedra]

Finally, PE is actually a VERY good faction to play

I NO, RITE?

After playing the OMG mod for ages, I could not go back to vCoH because the tech race murdered me. Now, I can play PE and have micro count as much as tech when playing against the Sovs!

[Fallen]

what do u do if they just spam enginers? and go straight for tanks?