Panzer Elite Strategies.

[maccollo]

Frustrating against the soviets with PE. I had played two matches with my friend and this was the results:
1. I went to straight to MP44-s, I pushed back his commie ass back, until the AA tanks rolled out, and killed most of my men, dominated the map. In this point you haven't really much anti tank units, that really effective to the most tanks. Frankly, the AA tank destroyes the AT Halftrack, and laughing as it's do.

2. Went to Halftracks. There was a large infantry blob, and lost of the HTs. A P4 comed Handy, but that time, my opponent got T34/84's and I got a headache.

So, I think its a bit unbalanced for PE, I'll wait for the next patch, and play as Wehrmacht.

Did you get a mortar halftrack? In my experience that is the single best unit against the soviets early game (with Pgren support of course) and usually it will rack up 30-40 kills. Helps keep the soviet low on manpower, slowing their teching down and that should give you time to get a marder or schreks.

[sandycaesar]

Aye on the mortar halftrack idea. As a Soviet player I've had headaches with my Conscripts being decimated by those things; Tank Hunters can threaten them but the PE can counter them with Panzergrenadiers.

With the Soviets lacking the ability to rush T2 and swarm tank hunters (and without the broken Ingy rush), the PE stands a decent chance now. Major Soviet headaches include:
* aforementioned MHTs. Incendiary shells = Soviet blob death.
* Pgrens in cover with upgraded weapons - Conscripts die to MP44s very, very fast
* Marders. Oh God, Marders. About the only thing Sovs can do is to push fast with Tank Hunters, but properly supported Marders can survive long enough.

And there's the OpFor's perspective. Who says the Sovs are OP?

[Shaq]

Just use a panzer 4 Infantry support tank, that thing mangles all soviet infantry

[DaChief99]

I prefer 2v2 so this may not work with 1v1.  So far the best start i have found is 3 units upgraded to g43.  Get the extra squad member early asap.  This deals with most enemies, and if u can slow the command squad, it falls easily, which can really help since the soviet player cant call the arty with their command squad.  This will usually get 3/4 command points for later.  I never chose my command branch untill i see the enemy strategy.

Depending on my opponents strategy after this, i have found 2 main counters.

1)  They go for mortars.  I usually go for luftwafte then get the wirblewind to rush the mortars.  Insta Screw (sometimes works with ac but not advised)

2)  They try to pump out t34.  I go for the hetzers which can really hurt t34 if u hold one back a bit to prevent flanking.



And since Sandyceasar asked ^^, i think with the most recent patch, soviets have become much less broken.

[TheReaper]

Thanks guys, now I survived longer. 

[TheReaper]

Quick question: how would you take the enemy base, while he has lots of AT guns with dual flame elite pios??? Whithot Artillery of course. That was in the endgame in our last match. think about: egi cost: 150MP+50 muni for fireworks, and AT gun is 300 vs (if you want some good offense) 1000 MP for two Panther and some Assault grens (360MP) or normal grens (255mp) + 75 muni for MP44-s. Its just Fakin'n impposible beat the red guys. It was with the luftwaffe doctrine.

[hgghg4]

Build an 88 and use them to snipe the AT guns from beyond their range :p

[TheReaper]

I did it, and the response was a mass pio attack  I miss the artillery from PE so good faction, but less arty support.It was a VERY long game and the end i was a bit tierd of seeing that massive pio attack. I made my dream faction check out my Ostheer suggestions. 

[hgghg4]

G43 infantry >>>> Russian inf... combine with 2 IHTs 1 MTH and a few MP44 squads and that pio rush is by by

[SiopaoBrigade]

LENINGRAD TACTIC vs AI

If the russians bum rush the center island and you just can't breech their defences, use mortar halftracks. I used them to deadly effect, pounding the island with mortars and incendiaries. I use munitions halftracks with my mortar halftracks to keep the bombard options open whenever i need them.


Later, I got 2 HUMMEL SPAs. I put them on lockdown on the edge of my base and their range covered the entire map.

[hgghg4]

That's just ridiculous...

[Versedhorison]

I think mortars are the best way to deal with soviet blobs in general.

[ThGermanElite]

Russians seem to to quite well for close range (More chance of critical hits), so use G43s and Vet them only offensively, and use MP44s and vet them defensivly, go TD, get some Hetzers (If nessecary) and definitly get some Marders, but what ever you do DONT BLOB!!!! You never will need more than 4 squads (3 G43s and 1 STG44)

Use Armored Cars for Support and keep it BEHIND your infantry, and keep a HT safely behind your main force, P4s arent too good against Russians (Because the squads are too large), so you might be safer for using a Hotchkiss (Get nebels).

Get Panthers ASAP, the T34s are fast and will destroy your Marders and Hetzers. Use your Panthers wisely by having a Marder behind them, and lock it down. 2 Panthers and 1 Marder can defeat an IS2, 2 T34s, and an Upgunned T34, thats ALOT of Fuel and MP on thier side, and you may loose A panther and Marder, ALWAYS defensively Vet your Panthers, and Offensively Vet your Marder.

Ive never made a Mortar HT against Russians, they tend to get too close to your troops and they spread out too wide when they "Get on line" Scout Cars however are a critical if they use Snipers (Obviously). PE is a GREAT faction, you just need to know how to use em.

[wordsmith]

Exactly as some of boys wrote before me, go for:
- 4xPG, 1-2xG43
- t2 IHT+MHT, later schrecks for Panthers
- t3 MP44, Marder, maybe AC (only kite and prevent recap)
- t4 PzIV or quick for 2x Panthers

MP44 rape all infantry, especially conscipts and inzenery. Group zeal is must if you see he's spamming infantry. Flame nades are good too, since russians can't retreat. If he goes for more armors, make schrecks and fast Panthers.

Keep your units together. Deny fuel as much as possible to stall his teching to fast T34s while as PE you will need this fuel a lot.

As doctrine I'm Scorched earth player which is good too again because of Hummel and Booby trap points (as said russians can't run quickly from traps). But also Tank hunters (Hetzer) or Luftwaffe (Wirbelwind) could work too depending on what you feel the opponent will play if Infantry or Armors.

[Panzer4life]

i was playing the PE on the map Lyon(1v1) against an easy soviet. here is what i did.

first, get tree Panzer grenadiers (P-G) to the bridges and upgrade them with either G-43 or Mp-44s. construct the Logistic building with a 4th P-G and get the vampire Halftrack. use the Kettengrad to capture the far fuel points. Deploy Goliath bombs on the two destructible bridges and blow them up.
Next, Get all the buildings built and upgrade your P-G squads to have 4 men, group zeal, etc. Choose the Luftwaffe tatic and get the ground troops to build defenses on the center bridge and on the far position. Deploy Fallshcmirjager behind the enemy lines by putting them in a building. Captrue as many resource position as you can safely and upgrade them with FG-42s.
Get the Panther tank upgrade and gather all your forces and rush their base. The enemy won't draw their forces back to they base (cause they are an easy army) so they can't build that many units to retailte your attack. Destroy the bunkers, barracks, tank hall, support, the armory and their Hq and it is game over.