Thank you USSR (A little about history)

[maxi1991]

The thread's name made me laugh very hard. Why should i thank the Russians for bringing ~50 years of communism to half of Europe? Sure the russian front was the front where the war was won or lost. But the western allies helped the russians with lend and lease, a good number of soldiers that germany had to keep in the west as safety against landing operations or on the Africa Front, the Allied bombings of Industry and terror bombings against the civillains. If the allies wouldn't have done this the russians wouold have been lost. So it's more the achievment of a community of many states than the achievment of a country alone.

[Gregorountoi]

We bring peace in Europe.... if you stupid enough to disagree.... it's your point
Over ten of my family lay dead in Poland, Czech, Germany... YOU THINK THEY LIFE SACRIFICE IN VAIN?

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[pnoozi]

The thread's name made me laugh very hard. Why should i thank the Russians for bringing ~50 years of communism to half of Europe? Sure the russian front was the front where the war was won or lost. But the western allies helped the russians with lend and lease, a good number of soldiers that germany had to keep in the west as safety against landing operations or on the Africa Front, the Allied bombings of Industry and terror bombings against the civillains. If the allies wouldn't have done this the russians wouold have been lost. So it's more the achievment of a community of many states than the achievment of a country alone.

Pfff, you have no idea what you're talking about.  The USSR fought for freedom!

[thebomb]

Soviet soldiers fought for freedom from Nazi oppression just like American, British, and French soldiers. You should be blaming the governments that sent these soldiers into battle for turning most of the world into either military camps or oppressed countries.

[maxi1991]

The thread's name made me laugh very hard. Why should i thank the Russians for bringing ~50 years of communism to half of Europe? Sure the russian front was the front where the war was won or lost. But the western allies helped the russians with lend and lease, a good number of soldiers that germany had to keep in the west as safety against landing operations or on the Africa Front, the Allied bombings of Industry and terror bombings against the civillains. If the allies wouldn't have done this the russians wouold have been lost. So it's more the achievment of a community of many states than the achievment of a country alone.

Pfff, you have no idea what you're talking about.  The USSR fought for freedom!

Soviet soldiers fought for freedom from Nazi oppression just like American, British, and French soldiers. You should be blaming the governments that sent these soldiers into battle for turning most of the world into either military camps or oppressed countries.

Well i may admit that the normal Soviet Soldier may have fought because he wanted freedom. But the Soviet leadership wanted soviet oppression all over europe and was no better than the nazis themselves.

[PSIHOPAT]

Watch this and make comments

WARNING!!!
this video show cruelty without censorship
http://www.jurnaltv.ro/video/The_Soviet_Story_Povestea_sovietelor_incredibil

[GamblerSK]

Yes the simple soldiers fight for freedom but that's all i live in country which was a Communist satelite republic and i can say it change the face of the country a lot, i cant say thanks USSR i can say Communism was one of the black side of the history of my country and i think others agree too (which live in the post Communist country) for example how big different is betwen east and west Berlin one under allied control and one under Communist one city but so big differences in the style of living and the whole situation...

[thebomb]

Well i may admit that the normal Soviet Soldier may have fought because he wanted freedom. But the Soviet leadership wanted soviet oppression all over europe and was no better than the nazis themselves.

Agreed. I think we've finally found common ground

[pnoozi]

You fail to see the difference between "wanting" freedom and fighting for freedom.

[thebomb]

You fail to see the difference between "wanting" freedom and fighting for freedom.

pnoozi, I agree with you that in purely abstract terms there is a distinction between wanting freedom and fighting for it. The point I made was that if American and British soldiers fought for freedom (which is commonly stated by people in the West) then so did Soviet soldiers.

[GamblerSK]

the different is that Americans and British government fight to crush enemy so the war will end and soviets fight for freedom too but not the government, later when they go to Berlin they advance so fast because of capturing (deliverance) the cities so and the puppet politician was in every country, the American marshall plan was made and used to help from the war aftermath for the Europe but the soviets ordain to their satelite states to reject this help so the soviets fight more for war trophy's at the end...

[PSIHOPAT]

Give me a brake with UK or US bringers of law and lovers of peace.

US has used atomic bomb and has killed millions of people in his short history.He have the record on wars,and all are made for interest.This crap with liberation is a pure bulsh*** for idiots
Also UK was an aggressive nation and is hard for me to believe about they to loose their habit.

Stalin and Hitler are both like brothers.Psycho mass killers.
All who admire them deserve all insults.I consider them trash or animals, because or are blind,or have no soul and follow primary instincts,and want to make the history to be repeated.

watch again who are this "humans"
http://www.jurnaltv.ro/video/The_Soviet_Story_Povestea_sovietelor_incredibil

All their pictures,statues and everything who represent them deserve to be destroyed or locked.This leaders always had,and unfortunately have,the power to corrupt souls.Their black aura foolish our childrens and will risk again a new "comedy" with unimaginable consequences.If the WW3 will be started is possible to be the last for humanity.

[thebomb]

the different is that Americans and British government fight to crush enemy so the war will end and soviets fight for freedom too but not the government, later when they go to Berlin they advance so fast because of capturing (deliverance) the cities so and the puppet politician was in every country, the American marshall plan was made and used to help from the war aftermath for the Europe but the soviets ordain to their satelite states to reject this help so the soviets fight more for war trophy's at the end...

The Marshall Plan was a very successful public relations move that makes people, to this day, think that it was used to help "rebuild" Europe. Its primary purpose was to prevent communist or even independent worker's factions from springing up in war-torn Western Europe. The plan itself was not effective at all and only marginally helped actual people in Western Europe.

After the war Stalin was not seeking a confrontation with the Western powers because he knew that the Soviet Union was much weaker militarily and in terms of industrial power compared to the United States. Unfortunately due to misplaced American fears the Marshall Plan came in and put Stalin on the defensive. The reason he rejected it was because he saw it as an open move to undermine his power in Eastern Europe if the plan were to be implemented there. He simply did not want the Western powers to penetrate the economies of Eastern Europe.

In short, there was no government during WWII that genuinely fought for freedom. Each of them pursued their interests at the expense of the people of Europe.

If you are interested in the reasons why the Soviets rejected the Marshall Plan, read this essay by the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars:

http://wilsoncenter.org/topics/pubs/ACFB73.pdf
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Give me a brake with UK or US bringers of law and lovers of peace.

US has used atomic bomb and has killed millions of people in his short history.He have the record on wars,and all are made for interest.This crap with liberation is a pure bulsh*** for idiots
Also UK was an aggressive nation and is hard for me to believe about they to loose their habit.

Stalin and Hitler are both like brothers.Psycho mass killers.
All who admire them deserve all insults.I consider them trash or animals, because or are blind,or have no soul and follow primary instincts,and want to make the history to be repeated.

watch again who are this "humans"
http://www.jurnaltv.ro/video/The_Soviet_Story_Povestea_sovietelor_incredibil

All their pictures,statues and everything who represent them deserve to be destroyed or locked.This leaders always had,and unfortunately have,the power to corrupt souls.Their black aura foolish our childrens and will risk again a new "comedy" with unimaginable consequences.If the WW3 will be started is possible to be the last for humanity.

I completely agree with you PSIHOPAT. Unfortunately from the small bits and pieces of news I hear from Russia, Stalin is still worshiped by some and is used as an idol by ultra nationalist racists back there.

[pnoozi]

The US and UK installed democracies with free elections in their captured territories.  They fought for freedom.

[PSIHOPAT]

Yea.

They sent spies to start revolutions where thousand of peoples has died.
They has trained terrorist groups for fighting against some regime and than fight against them as a country with high standard of morality.
They sold allot of weapons to terrorists for making profit.
They invaded countries without any care about anyone.
With their surgical accurate strikes from the bombs or rockets they destroyed hospitals,churches and schools.
They made allot of atrocities torturing people or humiliating them.
They speak about racism when the killed allot of niggers and now consider arabs to be some kind of scum.

The list is too long,but i want to stop here.If you don't know that is bad for you,but you have time to search the truth.

If you don't accept the truth where is clear is a very sad thing,and that confirm something....but i don't want to say what...

@thebomb
You can make something about that man.
This are very serious things who can make our children to have an uncertain future.Think about that.I

f you are agree with what i told,than make something,and inform how many people you can about the real danger who is hidden behind this shiny aura.Many of them don't know.All who know about that are different,and dangerous.You choose what you make with your life.

You choose if you want to make something against that or sit and wait to happen.Make posters man with atrocities.Enter in forums and show the real face of this transformation in a superior society.In both visions of transformations in the perfect society are included massacre of millions of people,and this people can be my brother or your son,or mother of other child,or all families and friend from us or others.

Walk on the street and imagine all people who meet them in one day to be killed in the most horrible ways.Is a very sad thing and i say again => If you can do something against that do it.
If you think about your facts to be with very little importance,i assure you...is not like that...and you have clear example about what was able to do two persons Hitler and Stalin(Hitler was a poor corporal and Stalin peasant).