Italians

[Venoxxis]

We have planned a way to include foreign troops.

Nice to hear that. im really wondering how you will do it. Im sure there is a good way to include them. But there are many bad ones as well 
But i guess you will take the right one

[ford_prefect]

See this is my problem. If the Devs were to include on *foreign country* say italy for example everone who wanted finland or romania or other countries will be rather disapointed and I can't see it ending well. All I see working is either having a noname foreign squad or no foreign squads at all.

This is in fact a huge problem. Versidhorison is totally right about that.
Also, i would suggest the same solution.

And even if you have 4 countries in the Ostheer of different nations, there would still be several others complaining about that, since there were still more countries involved.

okay yea thank you...makes sense. I dont get why the heck they would include (NO OFFENSE PEOPLE)
1.)Spain (I'll re-give my argument on that if you want)
2.)Finland: they never were next to German troops fighting together
3.)Hungary: I mean its just to minor

[Cranialwizard]

okay yea thank you...makes sense. I dont get why the heck they would include (NO OFFENSE PEOPLE)
1.)Spain (I'll re-give my argument on that if you want)
2.)Finland: they never were next to German troops fighting together
3.)Hungary: I mean its just to minor

Thank you for the support, although they kind of have a point.

That's why if you read my ostheer suggestion there are also doctrinal national units that can be called in to help.

Spain didn't have too much in the war, they were busy recovering from civil war.

Hungry and Finland had a large part in the war too.

[250.Inf. Div.]

Spain didn't have too much in the war?

15. Spanische Staffel: 5,454 combat missions and 163 victories.

250.division and blaue legion participated battles:siege of leningrad,Volkhov,Udarnik,first battle of Smiesko,Sitno,Muravji,Nikitkino,Possad,second battle of Sitno,Schevelevo,third battle of Volkhov,Maloye Samoshie,Poselok,Krasny Bor,Putrolovo,Pushkin and battle of berlin(elements belonging to blaue divison).
More than 49,000 casualties caused to the enemy.

2 Knight Crosses (one with Oak Leaves)

2 Golden Crosses

138 Iron Crosses First Class

2,359 Iron Crosses Second Class and

2,216 War Merit Crosses with Swords.


are you sure.

About italian,is a interesting idea italy have good soldiers but poorly equipped,my idea a unit similar volksgrenadier equiped with carccano rifles or smg beretta mp 38 a.

[Cranialwizard]

They had an active part in the war, yes, but they weren't a super duper contributor. The finnish held a huge grudge against the Soviet Union, spain helped because Germany helped the Nationalist.

Actually, I have a whole Ostheer faction down pat, including the Italians described!

http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3282.msg31749#msg31749

[250.Inf. Div.]

a super duper contributor lol,

Sports at Spain to Germany:
iron
1941: 117,966 t.
1942: 127,769 t.
1943: 162,445 t.
1944: 105,709 t.
pyrite
1941: 9,631 t.
1942: 25,694 t.
1943: 43,273 t.
1944: 30,688 t.
lead
1941: 735 t.
1942: 1,447 t.
1943: 676 t.
1944: 4,361 t.
mercury
1940: 345 t.
1941: 759 t.
1942: 200 t.
1943: 305 t.
1944: 345 t.
Tungsten wolframite
1940: 29 t.
1941:15 t.
1942: 44 t.
1943: 430 t.
1944: 323 t.
Zinc
1941: 31,546 t.
1942: 18,809 t.
1943: 22,849 t.
1944: 10,241 t.

few tons exported italy? few combat missions in the air? few iron crosses win?yes,italy send more soldiers but bad equipped and low combative value.

[ford_prefect]

GUYS STOP IT........THIS IS LIKE THE 5TH TIME THAT SOME SPANIARD HAS YELLED AT SOME ITALIAN (or someone else about Spain's history)
SPAIN HAD TROOPS yes they did.....okay you have to think though. Medals mean little, Germany needed support from other nations and if they handed out medals to these Spaniards that fought then the leaders of Spain would think there men are almost super soldiers; that's one of the reasons these Spaniards received so many medals.
   Herman Spain wasn't even at war with anyone it was a few bloody idiots who REALLY liked Fascism so they fought for Germany

[Cranialwizard]

Ford, it's all good, I'm not arguing, I guess you could say. I wanted you to give a comment on the faction because of your experience on the forum. It's a lil' unique and VERY diffrent, but it's got some really good factors

[250.Inf. Div.]

ford my friend stop, you say stop, there is a post with 9 pages are talking about the Italians and I put 2 comments with statistics and ask me to stop? ok.

not call idiots those who died for their beliefs whether German, Romanian, Spanish or Italian.

just one thing not they were super soldiers, they were only men

is hernan no herman, herman was the name of my grandfather.

[ford_prefect]

well my names' nor Ford so  but what I'm saying go through the pages of posts and you will be glad to see this topic has been discussed several times; and we always end with someone just never coming back to the forums

[250.Inf. Div.]

verstanden, mein Freund  , I just want to know that the Spanish were also there,grewtings.

[ford_prefect]

hmm well what I'm saying is that Spain didn't technically fight A strong proud group of Fascists fought not Spain

[250.Inf. Div.]

were not all fascists, officers, pilots (Spanische Staffel), technicians, civil guards (Spanish police who served in the feldgendarmerie], doctors were not fascists.
the troops if there was a high percentage of Falangists [fascist similar to the Italian black shirts).
many enlisted to return the visit of the Russian Communists during the civil war.

[ford_prefect]

true but in theory you are what your nation is

[Cranialwizard]

We Italians never wanted to go to war. In war we wanted to go home. At home we wanted to STAY home. Staying home we wanted only 1 thing to solve the rest of our problems.

Mussolini, as they say in my country, completo.

Therefore that's exactly what they did.
They never fought for him. They fought solely for themselves. They would have been killed otherwise.