Italians

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Sure; Lord Rommel is his name and he said that he dosent like all this single unit ideas because just one unit isnt a hole faction and so it would be nice when persons think about HOLE concepts and not just one unit.
The idea behind this is that the team had to find a solution how and where to implement such a single unit. That is not very good because the most units are part of a special nation structure. Think of the PE - here u have a half track based faction - when u now say that u want a sFh 18 at the PE the creators would be confused because this unit dosent fit into the PE and so it is better to think about a hole faction structure then just about one unit!

Thats the reason why i had said to Cranialwizard that he should think about a concept - it hadnt to be a all in all italien concept but it should be a concept where other person can see where and how he want to implement such a unit like italian rifles or tanks

My wish: single units are nice but really problematicaly ( out of my view ) so i'm happy when person think about the HOLE faction and not just one part because that would be a horrible puzzle!

[Cranialwizard]

No, it's actually a good thing that you suggested that I come up with a concept! I am still designing it, and coming up with some doctrines, finishing unit stats and such.

The Italians will be hosted with the Romanians and Finnish troops in a early level barrakcs from the faction.

[ford_prefect]

so its more of a "minor axis" mod?

[Cranialwizard]

Think of how the Wehrmacht is laid out:Wehrmacht Quarters-Krieg Barracks

Wehrmacht Quarters is replaces with a building called the Foreign Units Quarters. 3 squads are deployable, Italian Infantry, Finnish Infantry(Small group), or a Romanian HMG. The HMG is much underpowered compared to a moderate MG34 or MG42. These units are very cheap and easy to make.

Uberlegen Unit Kommand replaces Kriegbarracks. Think of Kreig barracks and Wehrmacht quarters combined. There are inexperienced troops, regular troops, and elite infantry. There are also Mortars and MGs to deploy from here.

These troops are composed of Germany.

The reason and concept for the early foreign units is because earlier in the war these other countries were ready. They wanted to help germany destroy the allies.

Later in the war, it was much diffrent. Most of the foreigners had pulled out by then.

[Versedhorison]

the problem with foreign troops is that they pretty much diddn't exist at the time CoH is based. even with ballence over realism I'm having trouble seeing how they would be implemented very well. Also for the record I think it would best if we just leave them out all together as since there are lots of people posting on these forums there are a few from some countries who particiapated in the war on the axis side. What I've seen there has been a few people from some of those countries wanting to see troops from their own country due to nationalistic pride or whatever. Personally I can only see this going in a bad direction. IF there were any foreign troops in a new german faction there would likely only be one as to be honest just about all of the foreign troops fighting on the axis side were pretty poor in comparison to almost all german troops. Therefore if one foreign troop unit was chosen to be implemented then some people from some of the other countries may be disapointed very badely for not haveing their country chosen. As a result all I can see that can come out of this is a considerable ammount of argument and disapoinment and possible flamming and other nasties one could expect. I personally think the whole foreign troops idea should just be avoided largely because I personally can only see this ending badely. Please dont take this the wrong way and I mean no offence to anyone as this is just one mans opinion but I guess this should be a bit of a warning to the dev's that if you pick one country other people may be a bit upset.

[wordsmith]

... What I've seen there has been a few people from some of those countries wanting to see troops from their own country due to nationalistic pride or whatever. Personally I can only see this going in a bad direction. ...

Golden words mate, as it already happened - closed topic luckily :
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=2900.0

I was against the idea including other nations too. But it can be done avoiding naming the unit with some nation, just call it "Ostheer infantry" or "Ostheer support squad" ... with some neutral name representing foreign nations participating in Eastern front campaign.

[Seeme]

About how done are you with the obsteer? 1/4,1/2/,3/4?

[Zerstörer]

Have a look at the Relic Forums, The armoury section there is one on the second page I think. the thread was locked cause the OP was being a twat to people.

[ford_prefect]

"... What I've seen there has been a few people from some of those countries wanting to see troops from their own country due to nationalistic pride or whatever. Personally I can only see this going in a bad direction. ..."
uhhhhh yes and no. The ones who defend it more are from those countries but come on dude.....you and me both know that people from America, England, Russia and everywhere else would like to see the minor nations in this game. It just adds new stuff; and new stuff is well....new and cool (unlike you I'm not gonna state that EVERYONE from that countries wants to see those troops but I'm talking about a margin)

[Versedhorison]

of course yes I know that there are also other people who propose these ideas however I feel that it would be better not just picking one over a few.

[Paciat]

Make a whole Italian (or Romanian or just call them axis allies) Tier I.
Cheap infantry with LMG upgrade,
Italian motorbike or a tankette (like a vickers MG BREN with as much firepower and suppression as PE halftrack),
47mm gun,
A mortar or a light howitzer.

A whole Tier will not be "Out of Context" like a single non German unit.

It would be fun to play UK or US vs Italians too. Ostheer armies were shifted to the Italy afler the Kurk battle. Alot of non German troops were defending France in 1944.

[Versedhorison]

See this is my problem. If the Devs were to include on *foreign country* say italy for example everone who wanted finland or romania or other countries will be rather disapointed and I can't see it ending well. All I see working is either having a noname foreign squad or no foreign squads at all.

[Cranialwizard]

@Seeme: About 3/4, units and abilities are finished. Redoing my Veterancy, getting translations for special things, and doing doctirnes. everything else is done.

@Paciat: Exactly how my Foreign Units Barracks works, only there are 3-4 major countries, and each has it's own special weapons for it's country, own names, and own stats. For example, the Italians carry CarCano rifles with a Modello 38 SMG upgrade. However, the Romanians, also deployable, act for a cheap MG. They carry a MG produced in their own country and clear the road for the more powerful German units carrying MG34s. See how it works?

@ Versedhorison: In my concept, it does not concentrate on only Italians. The Foreign units barracks includes 4 diffrent units all from diffrent conuntries. Romania, Finland, Italy, And Hungarians. I am thinking about adding another country (Bulgaria)

[Venoxxis]

See this is my problem. If the Devs were to include on *foreign country* say italy for example everone who wanted finland or romania or other countries will be rather disapointed and I can't see it ending well. All I see working is either having a noname foreign squad or no foreign squads at all.

This is in fact a huge problem. Versidhorison is totally right about that.
Also, i would suggest the same solution.

And even if you have 4 countries in the Ostheer of different nations, there would still be several others complaining about that, since there were still more countries involved.

[WartyX]

We have planned a way to include foreign troops.