Italians

[sid]

i wont argue with u. i checked myself couple of links. and im not saying u are not right. but i just dont feel it, like a faction.

thou ostheer is on its way so we should continue this if EF crew decides to add more factions .

[PSIHOPAT]

If not an entire faction,maybe some off map calling units from other countries,including Romania will be very nice.

[ford_prefect]

Instead italians,much better will be romanian faction.

Romania has been neutral at the start of WW2,then join and fought on the german side when in the offensive campaign against Russia...and switch the side after the red army counter offensive...
Romanian army was far superior in moral,combat skill and equipment than italians,and played one of the most important role in the initial success of germans against Russia..

Search and find if don't believe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_during_World_War_II

http://www.worldwar2.ro/

From Wikipedia

The war on the Eastern Front

Operation Barbarossa, attacking the Soviet Union on a wide front. Romania joined in the offensive, with Romanian troops crossing the River Prut. After recovering Bessarabia and Bukovina (Operation München), Romanian units fought side by side with the Germans onward to Odessa, Sevastopol, and Stalingrad. The Romanian contribution of troops was enormous. The total number of troops involved in the Romanian Third Army and the Romanian Fourth Army was second only to Nazi Germany itself. The Romanian Army had a total of 686,258 men under arms in the summer of 1941 and a total of 1,224,691 men in arms in the summer of 1944.[3] The number of Romanian troops sent to fight in Russia exceeded that of all of Germany's other allies combined. A Country Study by the U.S. Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress attributes this to "morbid competition with Hungary to curry Hitler's favor... [in hope of]... regaining northern Transylvania."[1]

Romania instituted a civil government in occupied Soviet lands immediately east of the Dniester. After the Battle of Odessa, this included the city of Odessa. The Romanian armies advanced far into the Soviet Union during 1941 and 1942 before being involved in the disaster at the Battle of Stalingrad in the winter of 1942-1943.

Romania's most important general, Petre Dumitrescu, was commander of the Romanian Third Army at Stalingrad. In November 1942, the German Sixth Army was briefly put at Dumitrescu's disposal during a German attempt to relieve the Romanian Third Army following a devastating Soviet offensive.

Prior to the Soviet counteroffensive at Stalingrad, the Antonescu government considered a war with Hungary over Transylvania as an inevitability after the expected victory over the Soviet Union.[1] Although it was the most dedicated ally of Germany, Romania's turning to the Allied side in August 1944 was rewarded with Northern Transylvania, which had been granted to Hungary in 1940 after the Second Vienna Award.
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Italy were and IS a joke in warfare.
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This Romanian tank look wonderful.
Also was so appreciated by germans,who took the project and make Hetzer.
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=244
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Romanian AT gun,used in eastern front => better than german pak40
Is somewhere between zis-3 and pak-40 
http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=300

ok you have said this about 5 times!

[sid]

If not an entire faction,maybe some off map calling units from other countries,including Romania will be very nice.

thats more like it . since ostheers were supported by their allies (romania, bulgaria..etc)

[PSIHOPAT]

ok you have said this about 5 times!

Enough...yea...

But i was little bit irritated by some subjects considered to be priorities by some people,who ignore history.

[ford_prefect]

ok you have said this about 5 times!

Enough...yea...

But i was little bit irritated by some subjects considered to be priorities by some people,who ignore history.

yeah but you just sprayed it across about 5 diffrent threads

[Mangusta85]

totally agree with you! Italy must be present as axis allies in this game,it's historically correct!

Italy used also other veichles during WWII:

CV-33 Flamethrower


Fiat Ansaldo Semovente M34 120/25 : the best tank produced by italian "Regio Esercito"

http://www.modellismi.it/prodotti/big/1600.jpg [nofollow]



Fiat M 13/40
http://www.lasecondaguerramondiale.it/mezzi1.asp?tipo_carro=11 [nofollow]

Fiat 75/18 M41

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/75/18_%28semovente%29 [nofollow]

Fiat C.V.33 (L3)


here the link:  http://www.lasecondaguerramondiale.it/mezzicorazzati.html [nofollow]

[PSIHOPAT]

How many things have done Italia in eastern front for germany ?

I tell you =>NOTHING.

Other countries yes.

Check germany allies in that period and zone of conflict,and you will find the answer=>who was the most powerful allied of germany against Russia.

[Mangusta85]

How many things have done Italia in eastern front for germany ?

I tell you =>NOTHING.

Other countries yes.

Check germany allies in that period and zone of conflict,and you will find the answer=>who was the most powerful allied of germany against Russia.

you're bad informed,i tell you that 90.000 italian soldiers died in russia! Mussolini sent them in russia through ice with bad equipments and weapons,but despite this they fought with strenght and honour.The Soviets said : "only Italian Alpini can be considered unbeaten on URSS's ground

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparti_italiani_al_fronte_orientale#Le_perdite [nofollow]

Italian 8° Army/ARMIR :

-3° Regiment Savoia Cavalry
-5° Regiment Lanceri di Novara
-Alpini battalion
-201° Motorized Cavalry
-Croatian Legion
-156°,277°,278° Infantry Regiments
-5°,6° Regiments Alpini with artillery
-Alpinian Division Julia : 8°-9° Regiments,3° artillery
-Alpinian Division Cuneo:1°,2° Inantry Regiments,4°,11° artillery
-Alpinian Division Vicenza:
-XXXV Corpo d'Armata (ex CSIR)
-Naval Unit X° Flottiglia MAS (they sinked incrociator Molotov,Kharkov and 3 Soviet's submarines)

and more others,for a total unit number of : 230.000 soldiers

[PSIHOPAT]

Yea...

Check this this(from wikipedia).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_during_World_War_II
Maybe you skip them from attention from the previous post.
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The war on the Eastern Front

Operation Barbarossa, attacking the Soviet Union on a wide front. Romania joined in the offensive, with Romanian troops crossing the River Prut. After recovering Bessarabia and Bukovina (Operation München), Romanian units fought side by side with the Germans onward to Odessa, Sevastopol, and Stalingrad. The Romanian contribution of troops was enormous. The total number of troops involved in the Romanian Third Army and the Romanian Fourth Army was second only to Nazi Germany itself. The Romanian Army had a total of 686,258 men under arms in the summer of 1941 and a total of 1,224,691 men in arms in the summer of 1944.[3] The number of Romanian troops sent to fight in Russia exceeded that of all of Germany's other allies combined.
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http://www.worldwar2.ro/?language=en
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Odessa_(1941)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sevastopol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Armies_in_the_Battle_of_Stalingrad

You can compare them ?

[sid]

ok guys u went off topic. arguing about unimportant stuff at least not along the topic. so i wont try to pull us back and post anymore in here.

[PSIHOPAT]

History is VERY important for anyone.

Also is necessary for any game/mod who attempt to represent one part from the past.

[Mangusta85]

History is VERY important for anyone.

Also is necessary for any game/mod who attempt to represent one part from the past.

perfect! history games are also a way to remember...so every detail is important for a faithful reconstruction

[WartyX]

History is VERY important for anyone.

Also is necessary for any game/mod who attempt to represent one part from the past.

perfect! history games are also a way to remember...so every detail is important for a faithful reconstruction

I'm struggling to think of anything in Company of Heroes that is actually a faithful reconstruction of history. Why should Eastern Front be so realistic?

[Bauer]

Because it has to be better than normal coh?