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Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« on: December 08, 2009, 06:59:03 AM »
I was debating with my friend (AxisRock) about small tanks and I said that a Hotchkiss or two would be able to take on a Russian T70 (in the game) without any upgrades.
So my question is who would win? This must have happened atleast once or twice durring the beta if so and who won and do you have a video of it? And if not can you guys test it out?
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 07:19:14 AM »

 Well, there is one slight problem. Completely different Tiers ;)
 The Hotchkiss can obtain vet and a gun upgrade. The T70
 can't. Vet, missiles, enhanced gun :)

 For the T70's side, you don't need to pay an expensive
 tank hall upgrade before you can even start to build it in
 the first place :)

 So T70 comes waaay earlier.
 
 Ok. But for a face to face fight? Vanilla (default) for
 Hotchkiss and (obviously default) for T70, then, yea,
 I think it'd be pretty even...

 But once Hotchkiss were completely upgraded... ;)
 (vet3 + gun + missiles...)(I don't think they should
 get both upgrades. It should be one OR the other) Meh.

 Then T70 would get seriously raped ;)

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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 07:23:03 AM »
OK sense the t70 comes first lets say the Hotchkiss didn't have enough time to upgrade and for some deranged reason the German General said "lets send this piece of shit up!" And it comes in contact with a T70 what will happen?
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I'm sorry It's just I am fond of smaller tanks :) some think its creapy but I just think they look nice and they complment infantry rather well (the hotchkiss is the ONLY reason I got TOV well maybe that kangroo had somthing to do with it aswell)
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 07:42:40 AM »
 You should play Combat Mission : Berlin to Barbarossa with me ;) There's a very nice mission with pz38(t)+2x Stu3B vs
BT7's and a call-in T34/76. At night. In a snowstorm :D

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 As for H35/H39 vs T70...
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotchkiss_H35
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-70
 
H35 129km/28kph, 7.1Horsepower/ton, 37mm gun.
Armor : 40mm/34mm. Crew : 2. Built: 1200.
T70 350km/45kph, 15Horsepower/ton, 45mm gun.
Armor : 10mm (rear) to 60mm (front/turret). Crew : 2. B8226.
 
 The faster one will decide terrain/angle. I'd say T70 would
 win. Of course. A man with a wooden spoon could win in
 a duel with a man with an M60, but... ;)

 It's fairly close, though. It boils down to whoever gets
 a lucky penetrating shot first. With vet and the gun upgrade
 H39, though, odds don't look good for T70, but it could
 still win.

 It'd be a matter of skill.



 The commander manned a standard APX-R turret, armoured with 40 mm cast steel and armed with the short 37 mm SA 18 gun, which had a maximum armour penetration of only 23 mm.
There was a hatch in the back of the turret. The commander could sit on it for better observation, but this made him very vulnerable and slow to reach the gun. The alternative was to fight buttoned-up, using the hatchless cupola. The Cavalry liked neither this arrangement nor the weak gun. The latter problem was lessened somewhat by boring out the fire chamber so that special rounds with a larger charge could be used. This increased muzzle velocity to about 600 m/s and maximum penetration to about 30 mm. Only a small part of the tanks with the Cavalry alone were thus changed however, because it strongly increased barrel wear. In the Spring of 1940 the original diascopes of the Chrétien type were gradually replaced with episcopes, offering more protection.
 
 Commander was the one looking around, LOADING the gun,
 aiming the gun, firing the gun... Crew of 2 is a bitch :)
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 07:46:11 AM »
yeah well just watch the first 12 seconds of this and you will get my point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe38dzJY

"no one expects the spanish inquisition!"
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 07:47:26 AM »

 The URL contained a malformed video ID.
 Either give me better link or tell me what to look out for?
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 07:50:54 AM »
Quote from: Loupblanc on December 08, 2009, 07:47:26 AM

 The URL contained a malformed video ID.
 Either give me better link or tell me what to look out for?

Monty Python - Spanish Inquisition Torture Scene
"no body expects the spanish inquistion!" I'm saying that it could happen
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 08:13:31 AM »

 Er, now I'm really confused ;)
 What does spanish inquisition have to do with this whole
 topic? ;)
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 12:38:14 PM »
Yeah Im kinda lost with that one.

Still, this forum could do with more Monty Python...
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 12:42:38 PM »

 I like Monty Python a lot :)
 Hey, Luz, go check up my suggestion thread! :D
 On T34 call-ins :)
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 07:14:12 PM »
Loup, people will read your thread, you dont need to advertise  ;)

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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 08:49:23 PM »

 I wrote it a week ago and not a single person had commented
 despite 57 reads or so :p
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 09:00:19 PM »
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pz38(t)

I remember seeing those in some Vid a while back, they sent tonnes of them to the Eastern Front. They built the Marder III on the same chassis... It would make some nice Ostheer light tank material, certainly better than the Panzer II ;)
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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2009, 10:38:21 PM »
Indeed it would.

It was pretty good for an early war tank, would be nice to see the Ostheer using them in the light tank role :)

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Re: Hotchkiss tank V. T70
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2009, 12:16:49 AM »
Quote from: luz777 on December 08, 2009, 12:38:14 PM
Yeah Im kinda lost with that one.

Still, this forum could do with more Monty Python...
Ok it means like Loup said "it probably won't happen" well on Monty they said "no body expects the Spanish inquistion!" See what I mean?
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