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Offline Loupblanc

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Re: Who to Capture with?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2009, 03:46:39 AM »

 Sigh. No, they got the infantry from SIBERIA. It was the
 Eastern Army, protecting from Japanese :)

 At some point, when he knew japanese were fighting else
 where, Stalin brought the Siberians to the West (east) front
 pronto ;) Rude shock for Germans :D

 - So, BurroDiablo, how about making a separate train/call-in
 for units than from buildings ? :)
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Re: Who to Capture with?
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2009, 08:32:04 PM »
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Ingenery, Conscripts, Strelky and Guards all have a cap rate of 1.5.
Wow now I know what the beta testers mean when they say that you have to beat the russians early they have a very slow cap rate.
I just love the smell of burning tanks in the morning

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Re: Who to Capture with?
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2009, 08:46:07 PM »
1.5 is the capture rate of American rifleman and Grenadiers. Don't believe me? Look here and here.


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Re: Who to Capture with?
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2009, 09:51:46 PM »
Sorry, my bad got my facts wrong.
I just love the smell of burning tanks in the morning

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Re: Who to Capture with?
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2009, 10:03:18 PM »

 ? Riflemen is 2nd unit to come out, if US wants.
 Grenadier come a bit longer to come out. I thought Russians
 didn't have a fast cap unit, but if ALL their infantry are fast
 cappers, then... er... They're not a 'slow' race at all.

 WTF?
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Re: Who to Capture with?
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2009, 12:00:13 AM »
Yah, it should be interesting to have all units, including Ingenery to cap at 1.5. Though you dont start with any units, so PE (start with their fast capper) have a huge edge. Then it just kinda balances with wehr... not really.... idk, im going to have to trust the devs on whether this is balanced until it comes out for me to find out

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Re: Who to Capture with?
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2009, 06:17:04 AM »

 Sigh. No, they got the infantry from SIBERIA. It was the
 Eastern Army, protecting from Japanese :)

 At some point, when he knew japanese were fighting else
 where, Stalin brought the Siberians to the West (east) front
 pronto ;) Rude shock for Germans :D

 - So, BurroDiablo, how about making a separate train/call-in
 for units than from buildings ? :)

A. That doesn't mean tanks didn't come from the Urals. Which they did.

B. Yes, infantry came from Siberia, that's a well-known fact. But they weren't "held in reserve" just in case the Japanese attacked - in fact, Siberia is a big place, and points in the middle of it are equidistant from Vladivostok and Moscow. They were conscripted out of their homes and sent to the west at the first sign of trouble (well third sign of trouble really seeing as how Stalin was slow to react to Hitler's betrayal).

C. Not a factor in real-time tacticals. Your suggestion would be appropriate for a large-scale RTS or a game like Hearts of Iron II.

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Re: Who to Capture with?
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2009, 08:21:09 AM »

 The Soviets really had an anti-jap army in Siberia.
 That's a fact.

 As for Ural Tanks, well, yea, I know that. A lot about that,
 even :) They were also for the most part western factories
 moved east of the Ural mountains by railtrack. Amazing feat,
 btw. And those factories were mostly toiled in by women ;)
 
 As for strategic movement, well, soviets usually couldn't
 copy with Germans on a local level. They 'cheated' by
 bringing in more troops from elsewhere, whereas the
 germans 'cheated' by better armor, training, veterancy,
 and optics, etc, etc A lot of call-ins just fits really nicely.

 It gives soviets a flavor no one else has. Except 2x Panther
 PE, perhaps. But well made, it would help soviets bounce
 back. And this without making their 'factories' construct
 super fast. It's just that they had a LOT of them working
 like nuts, and they brought them in from all over the place.
 
 they overwhelmed the germans is how they won.

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 Who gets the last laugh gets the best laugh ;)
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Re: Who to Capture with?
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2009, 02:48:55 AM »

 The Soviets really had an anti-jap army in Siberia.
 That's a fact.

 As for Ural Tanks, well, yea, I know that. A lot about that,
 even :) They were also for the most part western factories
 moved east of the Ural mountains by railtrack. Amazing feat,
 btw. And those factories were mostly toiled in by women ;)
 
 As for strategic movement, well, soviets usually couldn't
 copy with Germans on a local level. They 'cheated' by
 bringing in more troops from elsewhere, whereas the
 germans 'cheated' by better armor, training, veterancy,
 and optics, etc, etc A lot of call-ins just fits really nicely.

 It gives soviets a flavor no one else has. Except 2x Panther
 PE, perhaps. But well made, it would help soviets bounce
 back. And this without making their 'factories' construct
 super fast. It's just that they had a LOT of them working
 like nuts, and they brought them in from all over the place.
 
 they overwhelmed the germans is how they won.

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 Who gets the last laugh gets the best laugh ;)

I can find no references to a large garrison in preparation for the Japs but I can assure you that what forces did exist were not notable, and certainly no detraction from their ranks would compose a significant amount of the conscripts brought in from the East.

Yes, I remember reading about the moving factories too. Quite fascinating really.

Your proposition that the Soviets cheated with greater manpower only applies to call-ins if their logistics could provide for it. But Soviet logistics were terrible, even deeply in their own territory, until the Soviet offensive hit a fever pitch and it was rendered redundant. So "call-ins" isn't an appropriate way to demonstrate their massive manpower reserves.