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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2012, 05:18:30 AM »

A dead VG is worth 3 exp right? If I kill 3 and force a retreat. Later they come back And I kill 3 more and make them retreat. I think I have gained 18 exp. IF I KIA the whole squad I get 15 exp and have to face grenadiers next time. Cons are better at killing VGs then Grens.


Or the more likely situation:
You kill 3 VG and they run. They come back reinforced and with another conscript squad or worse, a MG. You have 2 conscript squads (lets say you got another one to back you up since in this situation you seem to favor conscripts). Suddenly you are probably going to lose. In fact from the last engagement you lost 3 or even 4 conscripts and deciding that you probably were okay atm you wouldn't need to retreat for reinforce. Now you must retreat :P.

You kill 3 VG and they run. They come back reinforced but this time with a VG squad and a Gren squad. You are in green cover you you are likr "okay I got this". The battle wears on and your conscripts are weak and you'll probably have to fall back soon. Suddenly you notice the volks are getting closer and closer. You think to yourself "Oh well, he is taking more damage anyhow". Suddenly the volks' MP40 upgrade is done and they charge you, decimating your units. You retreat.

Either way the comp isn't just going to wait for you to kill it's units and then get a new one (unless it's honestly out of popcap, but thats gameplay, especially late game)

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2012, 07:15:11 AM »
Come on Cat,

While the AI spends (300 +280 +260)/1.25 (hard) = 672 MP + reinforce and marches up.
The conscript caps the hi FL point and I build T90 + T70 +ing = 680 MP.
The tank platoon eats the wehr infantry company while the ing outposts the hi FL Pt, repairs the tanks and maybe builds an MG nest in the bargain, A 107mm mortar would be cheaper.
Oh yes the conscript reinforces at the outpost too.

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Otto's Fast Lt Tky: 3 ing T2/T2a/TH/OP FP/T3/TH/T3a/TH/T90/T1/CS-upg/T70/2SU76 push on to H TKY with 2KV1s.  I build 2 FP-OPs 1 MP-OP. If I don't have fuel for T1 I buld 2T70s and 2 SU76s. operate tnaks in pairs. 1 ing to support a tank platoon 2ing to support a tank CO(3 Tanks).. -infantry force = 1ng/3 stormovie/ 5 conscripts/3 THs/1 Strelky(recrewing) Tank force 1 t90/1 T70/ 2-3 SU76 / 2 KV85s. Artilery: 1 Btty of 2/ 107mm mortars. ON TO BERLIN!
« Last Edit: May 22, 2012, 07:17:15 AM by Otto Halfhand »
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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2012, 12:52:23 AM »
Tank Depot isnt going to come out as fast as you think. You need 85 fuel (thats alot early on). And the 2 conscripts with outpost will cost more (I had typed the numbers but my page closed and I'd rather not do it again  :'()

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2012, 04:13:41 AM »
It takes about 7m24s to get a T70 and T90 out. THe AI-normal can do it faster though. 125FP for T1/T3/T3a and 70 FP for tanks. You can't produce tanks without T1 BTW.
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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2012, 04:17:01 AM »
It takes about 7m24s to get a T70 and T90 out. THe AI-normal can do it faster though.

Seems a little too fast TBH

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2012, 04:22:46 AM »
Wehr can get out 2 ACs in the same time. PE a little faster.
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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2012, 04:27:11 AM »
There are alot less requirements (or at least resources) to get an AC out. As for the Puma I highly doubt it can (or the AI wont get it due to its BO) come out in 7 min. Not unless you've lost the map. At that point just stock up on AT guns. Panthers are coming :P

Do you have a replay of you getting a T70 or T90 coming out in 7 min against an AI (not easy AI cause against that you don't even need to tech for tanks  ::))

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