Possible Soviet fix vs PE

[lbg]

The upgrades should certainly cost fuel no matter what, but I don't see any massive Soviet advantage from switching things around so you get both AT units from one upgrade.  If you took that upgrade and the PE player doesn't go fast AC, you have wasted resources that could have been put towards a more useful sniper or early vehicle of your own.  It keeps things interesting while giving the Soviets a counter to fast AC without buffing or nerfing anything.

[Paciat]

The upgrades should certainly cost fuel no matter what, but I don't see any massive Soviet advantage from switching things around so you get both AT units from one upgrade.  If you took that upgrade and the PE player doesn't go fast AC, you have wasted resources that could have been put towards a more useful sniper or early vehicle of your own.  It keeps things interesting while giving the Soviets a counter to fast AC without buffing or nerfing anything.

If youll have both AT guns and PTRD than all you need is to Strelky spam and go straight to light armor. Soviets can than get their without the risk of quick ACs. Right now they need both of these upgrades to play it safe. It would bake most early game PE vechicles useless. Noone would get Mortars and Sharpshooters first becouse once PE player would saw them he would spam SCs or G43 PGs in ITHs and no unit could then save the Soviets asses.

[Blackbishop]

The upgrades should certainly cost fuel no matter what, but I don't see any massive Soviet advantage from switching things around so you get both AT units from one upgrade.  If you took that upgrade and the PE player doesn't go fast AC, you have wasted resources that could have been put towards a more useful sniper or early vehicle of your own.  It keeps things interesting while giving the Soviets a counter to fast AC without buffing or nerfing anything.

If youll have both AT guns and PTRD than all you need is to Strelky spam and go straight to light armor. Soviets can than get their without the risk of quick ACs. Right now they need both of these upgrades to play it safe. It would bake most early game PE vechicles useless. Noone would get Mortars and Sharpshooters first becouse once PE player would saw them he would spam SCs or G43 PGs in ITHs and no unit could then save the Soviets asses.

Indeed, your point is clear, thats why I think this suggestion has no future, but I didn't thought about the mortars/sharpshooters issue.

Changing the armor type(from airborne to soldier) is a good solution, otherwise I don't know if they could receive some sort of defensive bonus against ACs.

[Chancellor]

No.  The point is not clear.  If the PE player goes AC then he can also upgrade PGs to Mp44.  If Soviet makes AT gun and tank hunter (big manpower investment) to counter the AC then he won't have mortar / sniper right away so Mp44 PGs are still an effective force on the field.  If the Soviet then decides to make strelky, PE can always react with 4 man squads.  If the Soviet decides to save up for light tanks instead Mp44s should be able to dominate the field long enough for PE to get their own vehicles.

Blackbishop what is your 1v1 rank?  Don't accuse me of flaming and don't shy from the question.

[Blackbishop]

Oh well , it should be 1, I used to play just with PE. I just went from my profile stats and looks like I just played basic matches, but not ranked games. 3 wins 6 defeats (it should be 4-5 but relic decided that I didn't won one match). Two matches dropped by the opponent(s). One match on scheldt lost(i wanted to knew why was problematic) and three defeats. As my ISP is very problematic, I decided to stop playing PvP, can you imagine being lagged on a game? I avoid to play online because of that. This was nearly two years ago. We just have to play with the tools we have at hand. On a second thought I have played some matches with Seeme but they don't appear on the stats. Enough information? Ok, let's go on topic.

It's already stated that soviets rifles deal less damage than intended to PE vehicles.

By now soviets can have AT/AI units whatever they decide to upgrade, if you change that nothing good will happen, don't you see the inherent danger of allowing an upgrade for AT units and another for AI units? In the end you will need both because you will need a sniper/mortar.

Look at your last post, you actually said why this should not be taken, PE will win easier. Paciat said what could happen if you implement this and choose AI support, you just complemented what he said when you posted that scenario of what will happen if you choose AT support.

That's why I don't like this. That's why each row should have AT/AI instead of just AT or AI.

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Looks like this was posted twice. Chancellor remember to add the version tag to the name of the thread.