57mm AT cannon ZiS-2

[Artillerist]

They tald us about animation of crew of gun. Gun itself was made long ago.

Is it possible to use US ar UK soldier team with new model?

[Sturmovik]

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Not full ballisticks data of ZIS-2 ... correct:

Range (m)        60 degree armor (mm)     90 degree armour (mm)
Sharp head armor piercing
300                   84                                     103
1000                 60                                      74
2000                 35                                      44
Blunt end (head) armor piercing
300                   89                                      109
1000                 74                                      91
2000                 56                                      69
Sharp end (head) armor piercing with ballistic arrowhead
500                   95                                      115
1000                 85                                      105
2000                 65                                       85
Undercaliber armor piercing bobbin form
300                   137                                     168
1000                 83                                       101
Undercaliber armor piercing steamline form
500                   135                                      155
1000                 125                                      140
1500                 100                                      125

Before 85mm cannon for tanks mass production will be placed, there are 200 builded ZIS-2 modification - ZIS-4 (tank cannon) for new T-34 tank destroyer.
First grand battle - Battle for Moscow. 21st tank brigade (5-35 tanks in case of heavy loses & intencive battles).
4 days of intensive battles destroys - 1000 soldiers, 34 tanks, 210 auto, 25 AT-cannons.
One of a tank - politruks Gmir commander, in one of a marsh destroys column length 2-3 km, breakthrow on a german airfield and shoot at nazi bombers.
In hard intensive battles for 2-3 weeks all tanks will lost. (to the 25 of november)
Reorganised to 46th Tank polk & 12th guard tank polk. (company)
Then - august 1943, in "Special tank company 100".
Battle expirience for this kind of tanks wil slow, becouse new 85mm & 100mm cannons will soon mass prodused.
Only one negative side - splinter shell ... poor anti infantry shooting tests & combat expirience, Armor piercing expirience is very high.

[Zerstörer]

Artillerist@ I know you're fond of the 'historical numbers' and what not, but since they don't really affect the game they're largely irrelevant. I would suggest however talking to the N44 team who are implementing the soviets with all the extra vehicles and using a different combat system to show realistic weapon penetration etc.

I am well aware of the T34/57 of which only about 200 were built. Like many other vehicles, it has no place in EF as it would duplicate the job the SU does. plus doesn't look half as good or different. Just a T34 with a longer thinner barrel boo hoo.

Firebase/Zis/Mortar/IL-2/Lend Lease Sherman are all 'stand in models' as the actual ones we want to use are not animated/skinned. In due course, we are hopping to implement the correct one in the game.

[Artillerist]

About ZiS-2 to the game, it would be nice!
Could it be possible to just put animation of US or UK crew to ZiS-2 model?

[Blackbishop]

They tald us about animation of crew of gun. Gun itself was made long ago.

Is it possible to use US ar UK soldier team with new model?

I don't know what model was created first, but they announced the model of the ZiS3 many months ago, and I saw for the first time the ZiS2 many weeks ago.

ZiS-2


ZiS-3


Be patient, when it's done you'll see it; but certainly will be included .

[Artillerist]

Thank You!

Will ZiS-3 be a reward for something?

[Zerstörer]

Nope, it will be the upgraded Zis gun so you can visually tell if its upgraded or not

[Artillerist]

Wow nice!
Post Merge: [time]Вск 19 Сен 2010 21:54:38[/time]I have service manuals for both ZiS-2 and ZiS-3. If You need it - let me know. There are drawings, schemes e.t.c.
Post Merge: [time]Пнд 20 Сен 2010 02:43:23[/time]I suggest ZiS-3 is not for "upgraded ZiS-2", but for reward unit for ZiS-2.
Reasons:

ZiS-2 was a specialized AT gun. It had smaller caliber, 3kg AP shell (Fragmentation shell was 3,7kg weight), but much more muzzle velocity (up to 1.200 m/s) against ZiS-3, wich had twice heavier (6kg) HE and AP shell with muzzle velocity of to 700m/s).

ZiS-2 was good, and extremly good only against Tanks.
ZiS-3 was good (to mid1943, when german "cats" appeared) against tanks, but MUCH better against infantry and field fortifications (bunkers, MG nests e.t.c.).

I suggest to player will choose - what is more important for him - to have good AT gun (ZiS-2) or to have multy-propose field gun (ZiS-3), wich will be more balanced - good both vs. infantry, bunkers and light armored vehicles, but twice less powerfull against heavy armor.

[GodlikeDennis]

It's not good to have AT guns be effective against infantry in this game, so I would say no to the ZiS-3 change Artillerist. It would work well as simply showing the upgraded ZiS-2.

[Blackbishop]

It's not good to have AT guns be effective against infantry in this game, so I would say no to the ZiS-3 change Artillerist. It would work well as simply showing the upgraded ZiS-2.

+1

[Zerstörer]

Funily enough I did try to implement something along the lines off 57mm AP shells, but instead having them HE. Also switching between AP/HE like the Tiger ace campaign for a muni cost.
Code didn't pan out for either one. So, the Zis will remain a pure AT gun

[Artillerist]

Thank You!
Post Merge: September 20, 2010, 09:35:56 PMAnd one more:

[Sturmovik]

AT guns effective on infantry? Calm down, actually, caliber of effective AT-guns is not enought for anti infantry fire position. For that perpose must be MGs deploy & infanrty platoons drop to flanc defence if needed.