My Ostheer vision

[tim8552]

As this mod comes later and i have play some related tov mods and i summarized my ideas belows:

for russian side:
-> add direct fire mode in skirmish and multiplayer
-> i mean no veterancy is good but you must make some good compensation to make us feel the new mode is good enough to use the soviets

for the german side:
-> Invisible attack? so you mean those infantry can dig on the ground and hide?? great idea
-> please use the new weapons in german side
    Jagdpanzer IV, again? please make Jadgtiger to another tree different from elephant one so can make balance of the game
-> Sabotage before retreat is not good to paste in Armoured Domination
-> Convoy Interception, Air interception is good, i like this one

furthermore:
-> if possible use the 16 tech tree, possibly divide the beneifts such that it will fill up the 16 th tree, if not gather enough idea, come in later patch
-> make a tech tree diagram or pdf for us

finally, i thank you for your goodness to make this mod

[Der Deutsche]

Young recruits are not a special unit. This is just a number of young soldier in your HQ. When the number is enought to create a squad, you can buy a Heeresgruppe Grenadier squad.

ok- but i hate the idea of german soldiers running away because of loosing men. there are  a few points wich speak against it:
1.the german need the propaganda-doctrin to make enemy soldiers flee without order and this costs ammunition- in your concept it costs the enemy of the ostheer nothing
2.in most coh mods i have played infantryuntis fight harder when loosing men- this is in my eyes more logicall than yoour idea, because if you are in a battle for live or death, full of adrenalin you will not run away if you see a comrad/friend got killed but you will fight harder for revange
3.in the last years of the war soldiers and officers were shot and their familys were sent into jail or concentration camps- this was called " sippenhaft"- i don´t think that so many soldiers would run away if they know that their familys will be punished for it.



and last but not least: the idea of running away without order would best fit to the red army- why? because the soviet´s commissars often said:"Their bullets or ours."
this means actually: that the red army had to hold their own men with with mg´s in the frontline because otherwise their soldiers would run home immediately- the germans did this never in the war- because there was no need to do this.
you just should watch "enemy at the gates" to see what i mean

[Estheral]

Jagdpanzer IV, again?

In COH OF, there is a jagdpanther. jagdpanzer IV will be a new unit never used before.

please make Jadgtiger to another tree different from elephant

Jadgtiger and Elefant are two big tank destroyer. I choosen to keep the most used in the East.

Sabotage before retreat is not good to paste in Armoured Domination

It was the reality. Panzers were powerful but were often broken down. German was often obliged of left their vehicles but to sabotage it before leaving.

i hate the idea of german soldiers running away because of loosing men

As I said, this is the only point wich maked me doubt. I tried to do an opposite idea to the "never retreat" of Russian.
I did'nt have a good idea for this point but now, I think with your reply I have it. I can change this concept to the following :

No choice
"X" fight harder when loosing the half of their members.

Now, what do you think ? "X" must be my basic unit "Heeresgruppe Grenadier" or all infantry troops ?

[DaChief99]

Thanks for the reply Estheral. That all makes a lot mor sense.  and i see your point about the spys. 

Once again, great ideas.

[Der Deutsche]

maybe it should be an upgrade in the h.q. ( or in one/ all doctrines) and it should be for all infantry units

[Estheral]

I like the concept that all german infantry squads fight harder (damage x1.5 for example) when loosing the half of their members.

But it's not necessary to create a research for it. I accepted only tier research and veterancy research. As I said in my concept all other research are in units.

I think it's not too powerfull. It can be a basic capacity.

Exemple :

A squad with 6 members give 6 damage
The same squad with 3 members give 4.5 damage instead of 3.
But play with a half squad is dangerous because they don't have a better life.

[Estheral]

I forgot to say that air recognition, jeeps and motobikes can't detect burried troops.

So this invisibility is total with the detriment of mobility.

[Venoxxis]

wow great ideas man 
Just one thing:
They dont have even 1 heavy tank expect the elefant.
This is one big problem, especially against tanks like the heavy red army tanks. This would be a big balancing problem.
Every tank you were talking about wouldn't have a chance against the T34/85, SU-85 and the IS-2. These tanks are beasts. Not even talking about the ISU-152 - this tank blow the turrets of Panthers and even tiger with one shot AWAY 
reed on the eastern front homepage about the IS-2
There you will see, that it would even beat a Panther!

so we got a problem there 
Think about havier tanks, also to built them the usual way.
Really.