1.4 ISU vs IS3

[Tankbuster]

GodlikeDennis you said that wehr panzerschrecks were stronger than their PE counterparts. The unit counter shows
wehr
Vehicles 0+6
Tanks    0+6
buildings 0+6
PE
Vehicles 0+8
Tanks    0+8
buildings 0+6
Please explain the anomaly.

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

These numbers are absolutely inaccurate and only there to show noobs what the current unit that is selected is useful against. It has nothing to do with real stats which I hope Dennis will post here soon..

[GodlikeDennis]

From memory I think Wehr shreks deal 120 damage and PE shreks deal 85 damage (compared to 70 for bazooka, or 30 for PTRD). All other stats between the shreks are the same except for some target table things against M8s only introduced in 2.602 I think. I can't be bothered to check though. PE offensive vet can increase the damage , accuracy and fire rate substantially though whereas Wehr shreks can't be built or picked up by any units that get offensive benefits from vet, only defensive.

The numbers ingame are completely meaningless. It's extremely annoying repeating that. I hate relic for putting those in.

[Paciat]

From memory I think Wehr shreks deal 120 damage and PE shreks deal 85 damage.

PE shreck does 105 dmg. With 85 dmg it would allways be weaker than wehrmacht Shreck - even at off. vet 3.

[Tankbuster]

sorry for bothering you. hope you were not too irritated. Your post however makes me understand why the T-34/85 is better against vehicles than the T-34/76. Just glad that I learnt something new.

[RedGuard]

each level of PE offensive vet grants:


Accuracy  +15%
Reload -10%
Cooldown -10%
Penetration +15%
so at vet 3 times this table times 3, and you receive huge bonus'

so even though the damage is higher for wehr schreks you can see how PE schreks outperform them considerably, with vet.


tank hunter double schreks with offensive vet3 means that you cant even be kited effectively there like snipers

[Otto Halfhand]

Tovarich: ISU152 HE shell. Is it better to target the Tiger or Ground attack the Tiger's Tail?

So PGshrek  off vet2 = 112 penetration damage. (I usually go Def-vet1 on PGs for the health regen edge). Off vet3 = 128 penetration damage. Double AT 256 = penetration damage! I guess each shrek targets independently.

[Tankbuster]

Tovarich: ISU152 HE shell. Is it better to target the Tiger or Ground attack the Tiger's Tail?

So PGshrek  off vet2 = 112 penetration damage. (I usually go Def-vet1 on PGs for the health regen edge). Off vet3 = 128 penetration damage. Double AT 256 = penetration damage! I guess each shrek targets independently.

If this is true, then that would explain why the grenadiers/panzer grenadiers refer to the Sherman as tin cans.