Invasion of Poland?

[HostileAmerican]

The series of events preceding the opening of the Eastern Front included the invasion of Poland. Are you going to introduce the invasion of Poland? This happened in 1939 and the Eastern Front of World War II was in1941-1945. I was wondering if there can be a sort of prequel to this like in CoH when the invasion of Normandy happened before the airborne took out the re supply road. On 17 September 1939, the Soviet Red Army invaded the eastern regions of Poland in cooperation with Germany. My idea was to have the Soviets and Germany work together then against each other.

Just an idea, the Warsaw Uprising as a Campaign. or what do you guys think about the North African Campaign? any ideas in that area?

here are some pic's i found, this looks real good for a map. perhaps

Wieluń destroyed by Luftwaffe bombing the 1st of September 1939


Warsaw after Luftwaffe bombing in 1939

[UeArtemis]

in 1939 it was uniting of Western and Eastern Ukraine and Belarus. Not soviet invasion in real polish lands.

[HostileAmerican]

The Invasion of Poland in 1939 precipitated World War II. It was carried out by Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and a small German-allied Slovak contingent.

Much of what is known about the Gleiwitz incident comes from the sworn affidavit of Alfred Naujocks at the Nuremberg Trials. In his testimony, he states that he organized the incident under orders from Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Müller, the chief of the Gestapo.
On the night of August 31, 1939 a small group of German operatives, dressed in Polish uniforms and led by Naujocks seized the Gleiwitz station and broadcast a short anti-German message in Polish (sources vary on the content on the message). The Germans' goal was to make the attack and the broadcast look like the work of anti-German Polish saboteurs.

On 17 September 1939, the Soviet Red Army invaded the eastern regions of Poland in cooperation with Germany. The Soviets were carrying out their part of the secret appendix of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which divided Eastern Europe into Nazi and Soviet spheres of influence. On September 17, the Red Army invaded eastern Poland, violating the 1932 Soviet–Polish Non-Aggression Pact, and occupied the Polish territory assigned to it by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. This was followed by co-ordination with German forces in Poland

[UeArtemis]

occupied by soviets? Then this territories is still "occupied" because now it are parts of Belarus and Ukraine.
This lands was occupied by Poland in The Polish-Ukrainian War (1918-1919) and The Polish-Soviet War (1919-1921).
The "Invasion of Poland" in 1939 was The liberation campaign.

P.S. A image is from wiki.
and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Ukrainians_en.svg

[HostileAmerican]

OK, i see what you are saying and I'm glad that we talked about this.

The Soviet invasion of Poland started without a formal declaration of war on 17 September 1939. I see what you mean by The liberation campaign. The part was more or less the Nazi Germany attack on Poland but they did however come 16 days later. It was to the benefit for the soviets to liberate their counterparts in a "Collective Security as an Approach to Peace".
The Soviet government announced that it was acting to protect the Ukrainians and Belarusians who lived in the eastern part of Poland, because the Polish state had collapsed in the face of the German attack and could no longer guarantee the security of its own citizens. So it still was an invasion/liberation of Poland; however the Germans and the Soviets had different ideas for Poland, it was still the onset for war without a formal declaration of war.

This was a good conversation. 

However they did annex the territory newly under its control and declared that the 13.5 million Polish citizens who lived there were now Soviet citizens. The Soviets quelled opposition by executions and by arresting thousands. They sent hundreds of thousands to Siberia and other remote parts of the USSR in four major waves of deportations between 1939 and 1941.

Politburo, from German Politbüro, short for Political Bureau, Russian Politicheskoye Buro, is the executive committee for a number of political parties, most notably those of communists.

During the existence of the People's Republic of Poland, the invasion was a taboo subject, almost omitted from the official history in order to preserve the illusion of "eternal friendship" between members of the Eastern Bloc.


Line of demarcation between German and Soviet military forces after their joint invasion of Poland in September 1939


Then Molotov came to the political side of the matter and stated that the Soviet Government had intended to take the occasion of the further advance of German troops to declare that Poland was falling apart and that it was necessary for the Soviet Union, in consequence, to come to the aid of the Ukrainians and the White Russians "threatened" by Germany. This argument was to make the intervention of the Soviet Union plausible to the masses and at the same time avoid giving the Soviet Union the appearance of an aggressor.
—Friedrich Werner von der Schulenburg, German ambassador to Moscow in a telegram to the German Foreign Office, Moscow, September 10 1939

[HostileAmerican]

       However, with the outbreak of the Soviet-German War in 1941 the international situation of Soviet Union changed and Joseph Stalin started to seek help from other countries opposing Germany. Strongly encouraged by British Foreign Office diplomat Anthony Eden, Sikorski on 5th July, 1941, opened negotiations with the Soviet ambassador to London, Ivan Mayski, to re-establish diplomatic relations between Poland and the Soviet Union. Sikorski was the architect of the agreement reached by both governments, that was finally signed on 30th July, 1941. A further military alliance was signed in Moscow on 14th August 1941. Later that year, Sikorski went to Moscow with a diplomatic mission (including the future Polish ambassador to Moscow, Stanisław Kot, and chief of the Polish Military Mission in the Soviet Union, General Zygmunt Szyszko-Bohusz).

       Joseph Stalin agreed to declare all previous pacts he had with Nazi Germany null and void, invalidate the September 1939 Soviet-German partition of Poland and release tens of thousands of Polish prisoners-of-war held in Soviet camps. Pursuant to an agreement between the Polish government-in-exile and Stalin, the Soviets granted "amnesty" to many Polish citizens on 12th August 1941, from whom a 40,000-strong army (Anders Army, later known as the Polish II Corps) was formed under General Władysław Anders. The whereabouts of thousands more Polish officers, however, would remain unknown for two more years, and this would weigh heavily on both Polish-Soviet relations and on Sikorski's fate.

This was known as the Sikorski-Mayski Agreement.

[HostileAmerican]

Well regardless as i said before


The series of events preceding the opening of the Eastern Front included the liberation of Poland. Are you going to introduce the liberation of Poland? This happened in 1939 and the Eastern Front of World War II was in1941-1945.

 I was wondering if there can be a sort of prequel to this like in CoH when the invasion of Normandy happened before the airborne took out the re-supply road. On 17 September 1939, the Soviet Red Army invaded the eastern regions of Poland in cooperation with Germany. My idea was to have the Soviets and Germany work together then against each other.

would this be a good idea?

[UeArtemis]

For what did you post here Leningradian nazy letters?

[HostileAmerican]

oh i just found them, if you want me to take em off i will, thought it was intresting

it was the ones they used in poland

[UeArtemis]

Ok, understood. I simply read "Leningrad" on it.

You said about the "Liberation of Poland" in 1939, but it is wrong. "The liberation campaign" was liberation for Ukrainian and Belarussian people. They united with their eastern bathers. Yes, some of they hated communism and resisted, but it was a necessary step in our history - all lands of my country were united together in one state. But poles weren't "liberated", so you can't say "the Liberation of Poland of 1939", you can say "the Liberation Campaign" or a full name "the Liberation Campaign to Western Ukraine and Western Belorussia of 1939", or (I think this name is incorrect) "the invasion of Poland". "The Liberation of Poland" is about 1944, liberation from Nazis.

[HostileAmerican]

NP ill show them to you again so you can read it if you want, this was used in the town of Lenin.
http://www.aboutww2militaria.com/November2008/ww2leaflets.html

Ahh, ok, well never the less what do you think of the idea?

[UeArtemis]

Creating new vehicles and a faction for several missions is too much work. But I am not a modmaker. Generally speaking, I would like to see the Polish army.

[HostileAmerican]

Ok, i see i just wanted to see something like in the first CoH, where you played the invasion of Normandy, then went back and played the part where you stop the supply rout a few days before D-Day. I was hoping that the Liberation Campaign to Western Ukraine and Western Belorussia of 1939 was a good idea. Where the Soviets and the Germans worked together and then apart, and the reason why. Sort of a story line in the game.