Idea about su 85,100

[limon553224]

su 85 and su 100 too weak against any german tank their amor too weak ,Range of shooting too short .
I think su 85 must be something like maroder 3.
thx
waiting for comments.

[Paciat]

Its my topic about SU
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=3349.0;topicseen
I think SU has too little HP.
SU-85 has only 350 HP (less than marder)
SU-100 has 450HP

Cheap StugIV has 400HP but when veted (0,85 recived dmg x1,15HP) it has 541HP.
Hetzer has 450HP but it gains vet.

Having higher speed dosnt really mather with SU becouse SU cannot circlestrafe.

Sure SU have better guns but Stugs have dmg vs Greyhounds (T70, T-90, T-17) Shermans (T-34) and M10s while ACPR and ambush increases Hetzers gun penetration.

At least now light tank support upgrade makes SU available before T-34 (650HP!!!).

[Headlock]

For gods sake.

Why oh why is there such a consistent demand for a tank that does EVERYTHING?

Yes, the su has issues - so does each and every tank. The onus is on you, the player, to work with and agaisnt those issues, not go crying out for a super tank that fits every bill.

If you find the su is dying too quick then First, check your tactics, check your attack group make up, check that you didnt point the su's big delicate arse towards a hidden pak.

HDLK

[limon553224]

For gods sake.

Why oh why is there such a consistent demand for a tank that does EVERYTHING?

Yes, the su has issues - so does each and every tank. The onus is on you, the player, to work with and agaisnt those issues, not go crying out for a super tank that fits every bill.

If you find the su is dying too quick then First, check your tactics, check your attack group make up, check that you didnt point the su's big delicate arse towards a hidden pak.

HDLK

i am not full noob i know what su 85 + pak 38 = pieces of scrap metal
Post Merge: May 26, 2010, 11:59:16 PMI still think what su 85 and su 100 needs more Range of shooting in next pach

[PoldekPL]

FFS, 1.10 is first patch from a LONG TIME, it's completely revolutionary and brings huge unbalance to the game. Slow down, balancing games was never an easy process, it takes time. Devs have their priorities, they firstly need to fix crashes, THEN they can take care of balancing units.

[Paciat]

Yes, the su has issues - so does each and every tank. The onus is on you, the player, to work with and agaisnt those issues, not go crying out for a super tank that fits every bill.

If you find the su is dying too quick then First, check your tactics, check your attack group make up, check that you didnt point the su's big delicate arse towards a hidden pak.

Thats where youre wrong. T-34 can do anything.

SU dosnt die becouse of my bad tactics, it dies becouse 3 ninja pak shots are enough to kill it.

You get hit by:
1st shot - think "O s*it! Where is is?!" Reverse youre SU.
2nd shot - SU stops, starts to reverse.
3rd shot (or a supporting shreck) - SU stops reversing becouse its dead.

Youre infantry or mortars then probably kills that pak but you cant recrew it anyway so you need to attack without AT support...

Im not saing that SU needs to kill infantry better. I dont want a longer gun range becouse SUs frontal armor is good. Im saing that it should have at least 2/3 of T-34 HP.
SU-85 350HP is too little (lower than Marders/Gwagens 375HP M-10/M-18 400HP) and even SU-100 450HP is low compared to 700HP!!! of T-34/85.

Ill also add that SU are allied vechicles. Spotting AT guns is more difficult to allies becouse Pak50 can camo, Marders and Gwagens have longer range than even Fireflies, 88s have the longest range.