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Re: Strelky spam = The new Ingenery Spam [1.10]
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2010, 12:13:54 AM »
Actually WH get elite armour AND regeneration. US rifles get nades,stickies(which reduces vet requirement),Bars(with suppression!) and the most powerful vet benefits in the game. Lets not forget they can pick up shit loads of weapons AND can retreat and be preserved.

Before you cry about the airborne armour, check its benefits compared to elite and soldier and stupendous vet benefits of US riflemen.

I'm not sayiong its all perfect now but reading airborne armour and crying OP is a bit....crap
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Re: Strelky spam = The new Ingenery Spam [1.10]
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2010, 12:49:27 AM »
Actually WH get elite armour AND regeneration. US rifles get nades,stickies(which reduces vet requirement),Bars(with suppression!) and the most powerful vet benefits in the game. Lets not forget they can pick up shit loads of weapons AND can retreat and be preserved.

Before you cry about the airborne armour, check its benefits compared to elite and soldier and stupendous vet benefits of US riflemen.

I'm not sayiong its all perfect now but reading airborne armour and crying OP is a bit....crap

Ignorance is a bliss.

I'd want to know the difference between the infantry soldier airborne and elite armor type values then.  It'd be great if you would share, because I'm still fairly confident AB armor is stronger than infantry armor type value at the very least.  Regeneration is 0.022 for the grens...big deal.  Rifles earn their vet individually.  Don't expect every single riflesquad to have vet unless you're a total noob who keeps losing units over and over again to them.  They have to work for it individually like grens have to work for their 75 munis a piece weapons.
 
AB armor or not what do Strelky actually have to work for?  The cheap-ass upgrade that gives universal guns cheaper and stronger than BARs?  Who needs BAR-like suppression when you can just kill with more deadly weapons instead?  Stickies?  Who needs them when you can wipe your opponent off the map before he can even dream of fielding any serious vehicle threats?  What kind of noob needs to retreat with the Strelky in this patch?  OK so your Strelkys die...big deal...make more; its not like they even cost a lot.  Pick stuff up?  This is the USSR we're talking about...what kind of noob can't find a squad without enough members to pick up a few weapons?

Yes, I guess the Strelky need more members...since all 6 of them get the ppsh and dingleberry can't find another squad to pick up weapons, I guess we need to give them 2 more members so they can pick up the panzershreck too!

O wait...maybe you were talking about how they can't reman their precious mortar...yes...your weapons teams are actually in danger, because the Strelky aren't strong enough to protect them from enemy infantry, right?

This is a great mod, the balance is just sometimes unstable.  Overall I still love it; I just hope we get consistent balance so more people will be willing to play.
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Re: Strelky spam = The new Ingenery Spam [1.10]
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2010, 07:19:43 AM »
Despite chancellor's aggressive style debating, which is NOT a virtue, I actually agree with him now. After extensive testing with my friends I find strelky far too good, even if they only appear after the krieg barracks.

Airborne armour gives -25% received damage, and a further -25% while they are moving. Compare this to:
Infantry: no benefit
Soldier: -25% damage
Heroic: -25% dmg -15% accuracy, good against snipers
Elite: -25% dmg -25% acc

This makes it roughly equal to heroic out of the box without the sniper bonus.

In my tests it was found that a base strelky squad was approximately equal to a vet 2 gren squad. I think even if they cost 280 they would be too good (still cheaper than grens + vet cost). Instead I would ask that the devs make them infantry armour once more.

Also a reminder to everyone not to use RB strelky this patch due to the crashes.
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Re: Strelky spam = The new Ingenery Spam [1.10]
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2010, 11:17:45 AM »
No offense guys, but do you have any beta testers? I'm sure you could eaisly get some good players (ie. lvl 15+ in 1v1 automatch) who would want to balance test your patches before they are released, because so far, all of your major patches brought new imbalances that are pretty obvious. I'm not trying to be offensive here, just a suggestion.