Newbie. The Noob's NEW Attempt at the Ostheer concept :->

[Ghost]

Well let me, say this. If we have 2 Uber-Tank Destroyers, then say bye to the IS-2 for me.  Imagine this situation, 1 Nashorn and Elephant are on the field at the EXACT same time and under 2 COs command. You have one guy using the Nashorn to pick off lighter tanks such as the T-34 at a distance, and the Elephant blowing up anything that may come closer  tothem. Sounds like we need one Paciat here cause thats WAY OP.

simple counter: build many T34 and flank them 
or as they would both be tank destroyers, just use some inf with AT weapons or AT guns...there are so many ways. the elefant would be a once per game call-in while the nashorn (must be set-up to fire, marder armor and better gun) is just a better version of the marder III. not really OP for me 

I doubt they will attach a Nashorn if they have the Elephant because only 2 Nashorns actually exsisted and they both served at Stalingrad

you mixed the nashorn (~500 vehicles, most of them were used at the eastern front) with the "sturer emil" (2 vehicles)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashorn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturer_Emil

I apply this to the nashorn and the elefant; two ostheer players, one with Doctrine North for nashorn and the other with doctrine South for elefant eventually would get the nashorn and the elefant.

not to mention what happens if both choose doctrine South

[neosdark]

You're right im an idiot i always mix them up . I love both of those TDs.

 Problem with the T-34 flanking thing is a lot AT in a TD, go figure  . The infantry problem can be solved by supporting them with, guess what, AI infantry and lots of it. Im sure that they will have a sniper of some sort and if its how i picture it, we will also have so fast AI tanks.

As for a better, Marder 3, look at how the G-Bucket (Geschutzwagen) turned out. Im sure that was a nice attempt against just about EVERYTHING. I know that the EF developers aren't our dumbbells at Relic but things can happen (i pray to the holy vodka bottle that they don't )

[Newbie.]

Ok guys, i've looked at the recommendations and TOTALLY re-done the concept. Thanks for the Recomendations Guys!

[neosdark]

Now this, my friend is what we are talking about. It seems a lot more balanced and reader friendly.

You seem to have spaced it out a little more, but here are the new problems:

1) Jaegers are good against light infantry, being armed with MP-40s and a scoped Kar98k. Now this kind of squad would be dandy, but not if its the first thing you can build. My suggestion would be to exchange them with the RLA Rifles (since they are the troops closest and more familiar to the battlefield)

2/3)Jagdpanzer 4 and Panzer 4- You have both and thats great, but my friend i would suggest you that you turn the Jagdpanzer 4 into a secondary upgrade so you can add something else into the fray, perhaps some elite infantry(I don't exactly get how the Waffen-SS troops fit in an Engineering Doctrine so it would be better to move them in to your Ostkrieg factory)

Otherwise it looks pretty fine. Keep rollin' my friend.

[Newbie.]

Now this, my friend is what we are talking about. It seems a lot more balanced and reader friendly.

You seem to have spaced it out a little more, but here are the new problems:

1) Jaegers are good against light infantry, being armed with MP-40s and a scoped Kar98k. Now this kind of squad would be dandy, but not if its the first thing you can build. My suggestion would be to exchange them with the RLA Rifles (since they are the troops closest and more familiar to the battlefield)

2/3)Jagdpanzer 4 and Panzer 4- You have both and thats great, but my friend i would suggest you that you turn the Jagdpanzer 4 into a secondary upgrade so you can add something else into the fray, perhaps some elite infantry(I don't exactly get how the Waffen-SS troops fit in an Engineering Doctrine so it would be better to move them in to your Ostkrieg factory)

Otherwise it looks pretty fine. Keep rollin' my friend.

Wilco with the PanzerIV-Jadgpanzer idea. For the RLA-Jaeger thing, do you mean swap these around? Wilco if you do, as the Russian Liberation Army' had a purpose of setting up Radio Links and Communication posts ( Just gave me a great idea for what they could build!) Behinde Soviet Lines. And also, i'll move the 12th SS Hitlerjugend troops to the OstKriegFactory? And i was thinking about replacing the SS with the Panzerjager I Tank Destroyer?

[It'd basiclly have a high powerful gun but weak armour, a T34 could destroy in 1-2 hits)

[Ghost]

And i was thinking about replacing the SS with the Panzerjager I Tank Destroyer?

[It'd basiclly have a high powerful gun but weak armour, a T34 could destroy in 1-2 hits)

do you mean this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerj%C3%A4ger_I?
it had a 4,7cm gun...not the most powerful...even the panzer III's 5cm gun wasn't really effective vs. the T34 and this gun is smaller. it would be an early tankhunter good vs. T70/90 but quite useless vs. anything with more armor (correct me if i'm wrong).

It'd basiclly have a high powerful gun but weak armour

sounds like the nashorn or marder I / II / III

[neosdark]

Wilco with the PanzerIV-Jadgpanzer idea. For the RLA-Jaeger thing, do you mean swap these around? Wilco if you do, as the Russian Liberation Army' had a purpose of setting up Radio Links and Communication posts ( Just gave me a great idea for what they could build!) Behinde Soviet Lines. And also, i'll move the 12th SS Hitlerjugend troops to the OstKriegFactory? And i was thinking about replacing the SS with the Panzerjager I Tank Destroyer?

[It'd basiclly have a high powerful gun but weak armour, a T34 could destroy in 1-2 hits)

Yeah i was implying that you should swap the Jaegers and the RLA. It would make more sense and you wouldn't have super troops as your first buildable unit.

As for the Panzerjager 1 it should be something a tad more powerful, and perhaps something more of rarity. Maybe a RSO/PAK40. It would be a mobile Pak 40 with no camo ability and would have horrible move accuracy, but has a very large bonus against tanks and can also use Tungsten core Shells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rso_pak.jpg] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rso_pak.jpg[/url]

[Ghost]

neo's link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rso_pak.jpg

[neosdark]

Thanks dude. Stupid copying system

[Newbie.]

Wilco with the PanzerIV-Jadgpanzer idea. For the RLA-Jaeger thing, do you mean swap these around? Wilco if you do, as the Russian Liberation Army' had a purpose of setting up Radio Links and Communication posts ( Just gave me a great idea for what they could build!) Behinde Soviet Lines. And also, i'll move the 12th SS Hitlerjugend troops to the OstKriegFactory? And i was thinking about replacing the SS with the Panzerjager I Tank Destroyer?

[It'd basiclly have a high powerful gun but weak armour, a T34 could destroy in 1-2 hits)

Yeah i was implying that you should swap the Jaegers and the RLA. It would make more sense and you wouldn't have super troops as your first buildable unit.

As for the Panzerjager 1 it should be something a tad more powerful, and perhaps something more of rarity. Maybe a RSO/PAK40. It would be a mobile Pak 40 with no camo ability and would have horrible move accuracy, but has a very large bonus against tanks and can also use Tungsten core Shells.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rso_pak.jpg]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rso_pak.jpg] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rso_pak.jpg]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rso_pak.jpg]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rso_pak.jpg] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rso_pak.jpg[/url]

I have the RSO Already in subdoctrine '8th Jager Division', lol.

Hmm, maybe some type of ARV? I haven't got one so far

EDIT: Maybe the Bergepanzer38(t)?

[Ghost]

i still find it a bit difficult to read through your concept...
maybe you can edit it like this:


Stabskompanie Regiment 50 Riflemen

Troops from Unteroffizier Paul Ebel, a Knights Cross Holders, Regiment. armed with the G41 Rifle, they can quickly suppress a troop in light cover. Comes in a unit of 5

Cost: 450MP 5 POPCAP.


Post Merge: May 24, 2010, 12:57:02 PMi've edited your concept so it's easier to read 

The ostheer

The Ostheer is based on using tactic's from the eastern front. Building to Building Fighting. Street combat. Urban Combat.
Tank Destroyers are heavy, for countering tanks such as the New T34 and IS2 the men have seen.

Now, to basics, shall we?
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Feldmarshall HQ:

Units buildable:

RLA Saboteur's.

Oberleutnant.

Unit info:

RLA Saboteur's.
RLA, the Russian Liberation Army. Armed with 5 Mosin-Nagat's, They can quickly move around and build defense's such as:
-Barbed Wire
-Sandbags
-Bunkers
-Communication Posts (These anywhere in a sector, locking it down, and increasing supply transfusion by 0.4%) -Trenches
-Mines
-Tank Traps

They build all Defense strucutures and buildings.
When garrisoned, they fire there weapons twice their sight, same as other ostheer units.
300MP. 3 POPCAP.


Oberleutnant.
Only 2 Oberleutnant's can be deployed in the WHOLE match. These are veteran's from Poland. Armed with the MP18 SMG, they can command a unit from far across the battlefield.
400MP. 10 MUNI. 2 POPCAP.

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Russian Liberation Kommand Centre:

Units buildable:

Jaeger's.

Stabskompanie Regiment 50 Riflemen

8cm Mortar team.

PaK40 Anti Tank Gun.



Unit info:

Jaeger's
Jaeger means Hunter. Hunter of light infantry. Armed with 3 Scoped Kar98k's and 2 MP40 SMG's, they can quickly rip up a Unit. They can build Barbed Wire, Sandbags and of course, the FlaK88 if the doctrine is chosen.


Stabskompanie Regiment 50 Riflemen
Troops from Unteroffizier Paul Ebel, a Knights Cross Holders, Regiment. armed with the G41 Rifle, they can quickly suppress a troop in light cover. Comes in a unit of 5
450MP 5 POPCAP.


8cm Mortar team
a 8cm Mortar with 2 men manning. 1 man carrying it while it moves, and one with a MP40 SMG. The shots fired, have a 25% chance of breaking up, sending 3 micro-explosions to the ground.
470MP. 10 MUNI. 3 POPCAP.


PaK40
the 7.5cm PAK40 is deployed onto the field, need's 3 men to wield, 1 loader with a Walther PPK, the gunner, and a Spotter armed with a Kar98k.
510MP. 10 FUEL. 5 MUNI.

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Kriegsfield Military Academy

Units buildable:

MG08 Team.

Panzer-regiment 35 Anti-tank Gunners.

Field Support Opel Blitz

Upgrades: HE Rounds.


Unit info

MG08 Team
Veteran's of WWI with a MG08 move in. This is mostly the Ostheer's MG42.
430 MP. 10 MUNI.


Panzer-regiment 35 Anti-tank Troops
3 men armed with 2 Panzerbuchse 39 Anti-tank rifles, and a single Luger P08 Pistol, they have a  Upgrade for 30 MUNI to add a 4th man with a Panzerbuchse 39.
470 MP. 15 MUNI.


Field Support Opel Blitz
A Truck with a MG08 in the back, can carry a 12 man team with it.
Upgrades: Puppchen Carrier. Upgrades to a Puppchen 37mm AT Gun Carrier, unable to carry infantry, but now has this marvel of a Anti Tank Gun with it. 50 MUNI.
500MP - 15 FUEL. 5 POCAP.

Upgrade info:
HE Rounds. All AT Weapons now have the choice to fire HE Anti-infantry rounds instead of AP Rounds.


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OstFactory

Units buildable:

Waffen SS Troops

LT-35

Panzer Mk. II

Grille


Unit Info:

Waffen SS Troops
Member's of the 1st SS Adolf Hitler, armed with MP40's, but can upgrade to MP44's, they can SHRED, and i mean SHRED, Infantry.
550 MP. 5 MUNI. 5 POPCAP.


LT-35 [Panzer 35(t)]
A Light tank with a 37mm Gun, now used in the eastern front as a Recon tank.
600MP. 30 FUEL. 6POPCAP.


Panzer II Ausf. C
A Tank with a 20mm Gun, can quickly take down buildings as fast as you can say 'Communism'
670MP. 35 FUEL. 6POPCAP.

Grille
A Light version of the Hummel. Can't fire at the range of a Hummel, but it's 15cm Gun can quickly rip down a building as fast as you can say 'Comm...'
750MP. 7POPCAP. 45 FUEL.


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OstKriegFactory


Units buildable:

SD Commando's

a Panzer IV Ausf. H

A Tiger VI


Unit Info:

SD Commandos
Calls in the combat arm of Mr. Reinhard Heydrich's SD. 6 men all armed with the STG45 Assault Rifle, these are elite troops.
600MP. 6 POPCAP.


Panzer IV Ausf. H
Medium tank armed with a 75.6mm Gun, easy counter for the T-35/76. Has Side skirts and a MG34 as a Upgrade. 60 MUNI Each. For 100 MUNI and 70 FUEL, can upgrade into the Jadgpanzer IV Tank Destroyer.
800MP 8POPCAP. 90FUEL.


Panzer VI Tiger
Very heavy armour. Mounts a 8.8cm Gun with a hull mounted MG30, Even the mighty IS2 Fears it.
1200MP. 120FUEL. 13POPCAP.


Jagdpanzer IV
The Main Tank Destroyer of the OH. Armed with the same 75.6mm Gun of the Panzer, but it's low sillotte and heavy armour allow it to 'Go Unnoticed' and 'disappear' into the Battlefield.
950MP. 100FUEL. 10POPCAP.


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Now, Vet.

You earn vet by, well, shooting a gun.. basiclly. Whenever a Troop fires at a Enemy unit, hitting/killing or not, it gets 25% Vet for a new level.

IA.

firing 4 = Vet1 - Increased DEFENCE.

Firing 8 = Vet2 - Increased OFFENCE.

Firing 12 = Vet3 - Increased SPEED.


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Doctrines [Yay]

3 Doctrines

Army Engineer corps.

Army Tank Corps.

Schutzstaffel Support.


Starting with: AEC.
ARMY ENG. CORPS

PIONEER SUPPORT

Feldpioneer Support [1 CP]
Calls in a unit of Feldpioneer's, armed with G43 rifles, they can build the new 7.5cm Leichtes infanteriegeschutz 18 Mountain Gun.

FlaK 8.8 [3 CP]
Your Jager's can now build a FlaK88.

38cm schwerer Ladungswerfer Mortar [3CP]
Calls in a shot from this beast, destroying any Building or tank up to the T34/85 it hits.


2nd Luftwaffe Volunteer Calvary Support

Bergepanzer (38)t [2CCP]
Calls in the Bergepanzer (38)t MG34 armed ARV, only 2 are allowed on the battlefield at a time.

Bf.109H Support [3CP]
Hans-Ulrich Rudel's BF109H Squadron flys overhead, spraying any infantry in the area with it's MG Rounds.

'Der Panther' [5CP]
Calls in 2 Panther Mk. V Tanks.


ARMY TANK CORPS

8th Jager Division

Anti-Tank Arty [2CP]
Send's a couple a' ol' 77mm Rounds crashing to the floor.

RSO PAK40 Carrier [2CP]
A RSO Truck carrying a PAK40 75mm Gun is called into the battlefield. Can only fire 45 degree's infront of it.

Mein Panzer! [4CP]
Calls in the Sturer Emil only once to each commander. This best carrys a 128mm Gun.


12th Armour Division

Hungarian Riflemen [1CP]
Calls in 5 men armed with 35M Rifle from the Hungarian VII Army Corps.

ADGZ [2CP]
Calls in the ADGZ Armoured car, this ageing car still can be used with full might against the Communist scum!

Nashorn [4CP]
The Nashorn tank destroyer with a 8.8cm Gun is called in to crush the commie's!


Schutzstaffel Support

12th SS Hitlerjugend
 
Finnish SS Troops [2CP]
Calls in a 6man unit of Finnish SS Troops armed with Suomi KP-31 SMG's.

Feldmarshall [4CP]
Calls in a Feldmarshall one time only, this elite has a Irons Cross and a Luger, but while he's alive, ALL units have the bonus of a Oberleutnant.

10.5cm leFH 18 [3CP]
Calls in a 10.5cm leFH 18, only 3 on the battlefield at a time.


2nd SS Panzer Division 'Das Reich'

T34/76
Calls in a captured T34/76, with the Das Reich Insigna.

Sd.Kfz 251 Flammenwerfer
Calls in a Sd.Kfz 251 Flammenwerfer Ausf. B Halftrack armed with Dual Flammenwerfer 34 Flame-throwers.

Blitzkrieg
You can choose 3 areas of a map to be flattened by Bombing of HE111's, JU87 Stukas, JU88's, and JU52's. Only can be used twice, can't be used on locked down sectors.
6 CP.

[Newbie.]

Tar for above,

Also, for the person's Grandfather and the Italian marked TD? I might have the answer. He may of saw the Semovente L.40, a italian tank Destroyer armed with a 47mm Boehler Gun.


Or even the Carro Armato P 40, a 75mm Italian HeavyTank?

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

P26/40 had never seen combat at the eastern front
All of this tank were used by SS.-Polizei-troops of the
Armeegruppe Ligurien during the battles in italy in 1944/45.

[Newbie.]

P26/40 had never seen combat at the eastern front
All of this tank were used by SS.-Polizei-troops of the
Armeegruppe Ligurien during the battles in italy in 1944/45.

Thanks for that LR, I'm learnin' something new every day at this rate