Messerschmitt Bf 109 air coverage(suggestion for doctrine ability of ostheer)

[redguardsoldier]

Why can't air superior suppress off-map artillery? Attack planes were used to destroy enemy artillery. I didn't said that BF will shoot down paratroopers or glider, just make them scared so them don't dare to come on. Just for fun. Its duration maybe 30-45 seconds, which mean you must activate it exactly when your offensive begin to cover your attacks. And you can't use it too often. Is it fair?

[hgghg4]

because the BF109 was an air superiority fighter not an attack plane... meanin that they targeted Aircraft and other flying objects...not artillery pieces...

[redguardsoldier]

I remember that in my first post on this thread, I mentioned Stuka sound to indicate that the ability is on. Not only Bf come in, but also the famous Ju-87, but not to provide close support, just suppress enemy off-map artillery.

[hgghg4]

in all honesty that is rather OP... now there is no counter to a panther rush other then gobs of AT.... or that infamous vet 3 gren blob.....

[GamblerSK]

because the BF109 was an air superiority fighter not an attack plane... meanin that they targeted Aircraft and other flying objects...not artillery pieces...

BF 109G-16 was an fighter bomber but it was almost end of the war when it was developed

[Chancellor]

in all honesty that is rather OP... now there is no counter to a panther rush other then gobs of AT.... or that infamous vet 3 gren blob.....

Upgraded engies with ppsh along can totally rape KCH/4 man Mp44 Pgrens, go figure.  Axis currently can't support its tanks with infantry properly.

[hgghg4]

Upgraded engies with ppsh along can totally rape KCH/4 man Mp44 Pgrens, go figure.  Axis currently can't support its tanks with infantry properly.

Really?? my 3 man MP44 Group Zeal PE troops demolished upgraded engies... Go figure....

[Chancellor]

Upgraded engies with ppsh along can totally rape KCH/4 man Mp44 Pgrens, go figure.  Axis currently can't support its tanks with infantry properly.

Really?? my 3 man MP44 Group Zeal PE troops demolished upgraded engies... Go figure....

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Who gets group zeal?  Go figure.

[hgghg4]

Um... any sensible PE player... and if you're MP44 troops are getting killed by Upgraded engies and they aren't out numbered 3:1 then you're doing something wrong

[Chancellor]

Um... any sensible PE player... and if you're MP44 troops are getting killed by Upgraded engies and they aren't out numbered 3:1 then you're doing something wrong

First of all, no decent player would use group zeal, and secondly you are not counting sensibly in terms of manpower.  The MP44 guys are already having a hard time dealing with the upgraded ppsh engies 1v1...now if you really use your head, you would realize that the engies are only a 150 manpower squad, so if you were to be equal in terms of manpower it would nearly be 2 engies squads vs 1 mp44 squad, this isn't even counting the Pgren's expensive re-enforce cost.

Also it doesn't make sense to me how a 300 manpower grenadier squad at vet 3 (which costs a hell lot more than just 200 munitions) gets raped 1v1 (its not even a close battle) by 2 engie squads (also 300 manpower) or a partisan squad (also 300 manpower)

All this isn't even counting the doctrinal dual flamer upgrade they can get.

With that, I don't want to discuss this any further.  If you want, we could do a 1v1 with me as the Soviet Union so I can prove my case when I destroy your noobish group zeal tactics.

[hgghg4]

No decent player uses Group Zeal? I don't see why not... It reduces the damage and suppression taken by groups of PGrens of 2 or more squads...THAT and it is a prerequisite to Sprint I would say no decent player would forget it so all i have to say is you are not as good as you claim to be as I have asked multiple ranked players (lvl 14+ all of them) and they agree....  You sir are on crack! And if you care to discuss this more I can make you look like an idiot, just let me know when you get TS3 and I will give you our server address and let them call you a retard in person....

[Paciat]

Me-109 allways wining with P-47?

Anyway who needs air battles in a ground strategy?
Build flack cannons and youll be fine.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Okay guys!
When u want to talk about the balance between russian engineers and german StG. 44 troops so PLZ USE THE BALANCE board!

Here u can discuss about air weapons or air superiority abilities
( thx Paciat for getting back to topic ).

Lord Rommel

[redguardsoldier]

Yeah, there will be no battle for air superior! Just some sound effects. Do you get annoy when a british commando player deploy fake flares on your troops? And when a battle is on your hand, a P47 come in and pin all of your squad, open a way for enemy SMG squad and grenades come in. Please think, will 30-45 seconds of air cover break the balance? With that short duration, if used at a wrong moment, it will just a muni waste. And no one could claim that Bf109 always beat P47. But who want to run into enemy superior space?
Don't you know that air superior is something very important? It doesn't only stop enemy attack planes/ bombers but also provide close support and to silent enemy artillery.