Foreign Battlegroup - 3CP (Call-in two random Foreign squads (or 1 random squad plus a random crewed weapon) and 2 Foreign Tanks
but this mod isn't trying to be strictly historical so I suppose it's okay.
@GSmirlis the Communist.+1
Why do you need Romanian army?
first Ostheer can also fight against USA, and Romanian didn't fight against the USA.
Second: it doesn't add much, calling them Romanian support, if you realy want your Romanian army, just RP it or something.
@DeveloperWell, actually... yes.
Is Tiger Production useless to people who choose Panzer Support??? :o
@DeveloperWell, actually... yes.
Is Tiger Production useless to people who choose Panzer Support??? :o
Why not make Tiger replace both Panther G and Brummbar then? Just like Brummbar a Tiger has large AoE.@DeveloperWell, actually... yes.
Is Tiger Production useless to people who choose Panzer Support??? :o
Very Nice! Good Work!Yes, the first assumption.
But, what do you mean by "Random" Foreign Troops, does this mean there will be more than one type of squad and it's randomly selected? Or is it just a group of foreign troops from different countries?
There's no hard caps on OH Tiger, but will have something special to help not be spammed, not related to firepower though but you might guess what are we talking about.@DeveloperWell, actually... yes.
Is Tiger Production useless to people who choose Panzer Support??? :o
But only one Tiger (on the field) is deployable right?
Don't worry about it, we'll think something about it ;).Why not make Tiger replace both Panther G and Brummbar then? Just like Brummbar a Tiger has large AoE.@DeveloperWell, actually... yes.
Is Tiger Production useless to people who choose Panzer Support??? :o
I think they will have a bunch of foreign troops, and a few will be selected.I don't think will be that much or at least not at release date, we need to animate all ostheer vehicles, don't know how many foreign troops might be ready for that date.
Stukas with Jericho-Trompete* ???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ; Please!!!Afaik it will have it's siren.
*The aircraft was easily recognizable by its inverted gull wings, fixed spatted undercarriage and its infamous Jericho-Trompete ("Jericho Trumpet") wailing siren, becoming the propaganda symbol of German air power and the Blitzkrieg victories of 1939–1942.
by Wikipedia english
1. Does the Luftwaffe Recon Command function differently from America's Recon Airborne ability? If not, what reasons did you guys have for choosing this ability?Well, the recon works the same i guess, besides you need the command vehicle. And will help brandenburgers to get behind enemy lines.
2. In the Luftwaffe Recon Command is the "stuka support" the same as "Aces High!"? If not, what exactly does "stuka support" do?Is the same.
3. What are panzernests and trip wires? Are they equivalent to tank traps and barbed wire?This is a panzernest:
4. There's only a single player active ability that does damage (Aces High!), what were your reasons for doing this? Not criticizing your choices, simply curious why this was done.I don't think i can answer that XD.
nice update!Yes, those Brown Tigers will be for Ostheer, i like that brown skin though ;D!
i just hope we wont get ugly brown tigers, again :-\
If there will be more foregin troops, then there will be difference between the romanian or italian or hungarian or the others? I mean, like the wehrmacht, volks, grenadiers, knight cross? italians comes with smg, romanians with rifle, etc? or they will be the same, just other names and skins?The Sdkfz 263 will be like PE's scout car i guess. If they would be the same, we wouldn't add different foreign units. The storch will do a similar job than recon run i guess.
is the Sdkfz/263 have something weapon, so it can defend itself? or deployable like the PE scout car?
the "Panzerkrieg!" and the "Ostkrieg!" active or passive ability?
and as I see, there will be no off-map arty support, just the "Aces High!" (and I think it will be a little, fast bombdrop)
and the recon planes are like the british radio triangulation (a lot of red dot on the map) or like american recon run?
With respect!
nice update!Are you dishing my skins?
i just hope we wont get ugly brown tigers, again :-\
I realize, that paratroopers for a german faction is a life-time dream of many axis players since the very first release of the vanilla, but that's just too much, guys.The invasion began what, June 1941? So was that before or after Mercury? After Mercury major Fallschirmjager air drops became rare doue to the disaster Mercury was in the beginning.
Infiltration? Yes, but make it partisan-like. Germans para-dropping in SU? Well, there have been A COUPLE of such, but on that scale, you're proposing - that's pure bullshit, and that's OP.
And don't tell me, it's WIP,- it's paradrops, I know, what these are.
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To people, who are going to argue, that these could be some "western front" paratroopers mainly, I recall the dev. team (in part, at least) stating OH as the direct counter to SU, and no less than that. So, I suppose, it should reflect axis forces on the eastern front, not in Italy, etc.,- that's what other axis factions are there for, to begin with.
The invasion began what, June 1941? So was that before or after Mercury? After Mercury major Fallschirmjager air drops became rare doue to the disaster Mercury was in the beginning.Germans didn't really exercise a lot of paradropping during that war. So these guys, doctrinally dropping from above in copious numbers (everybody loves to spam call-in elite, +the "super reinforcement" thing), is like that ridiculous V-rocket firing at military targets.
I don't see a reason why this should be discarded. If can be balanced and it's not a crazy idea, i don't see a problem.The invasion began what, June 1941? So was that before or after Mercury? After Mercury major Fallschirmjager air drops became rare doue to the disaster Mercury was in the beginning.Germans didn't really exercise a lot of paradropping during that war. So these guys, doctrinally dropping from above in copious numbers (everybody loves to spam call-in elite, +the "super reinforcement" thing), is like that ridiculous V-rocket firing at military targets.
Still, wouldn't be accurate would it?I don't see a reason why this should be discarded. If can be balanced and it's not a crazy idea, i don't see a problem.The invasion began what, June 1941? So was that before or after Mercury? After Mercury major Fallschirmjager air drops became rare doue to the disaster Mercury was in the beginning.Germans didn't really exercise a lot of paradropping during that war. So these guys, doctrinally dropping from above in copious numbers (everybody loves to spam call-in elite, +the "super reinforcement" thing), is like that ridiculous V-rocket firing at military targets.
Although then again, you have Penal Conscripts running around also...It's like comparing a club to a machine-gun...
So, I suppose, it should reflect axis forces on the eastern front, not in Italy, etc.,- that's what other axis factions are there for, to begin with.
Man, RE-READ my message, you've quoted here, and get it: it's not about italian troops, it's about absurdness and OPness of axis elite paratroopers.So, I suppose, it should reflect axis forces on the eastern front, not in Italy, etc.,- that's what other axis factions are there for, to begin with.
Mussolini sent a large number of troops (relatively small compared to Germany as a whole, but enough to be significant) to fight on the eastern front, and there were Italian divisions in Stalingrad at the time of the siege. Of course, they were devastated due to the horrible morale, and the losses at Stalingrad really de-moralized Italians back home.
Still, wouldn't be accurate would it?I don't see a reason why this should be discarded. If can be balanced and it's not a crazy idea, i don't see a problem.The invasion began what, June 1941? So was that before or after Mercury? After Mercury major Fallschirmjager air drops became rare doue to the disaster Mercury was in the beginning.Germans didn't really exercise a lot of paradropping during that war. So these guys, doctrinally dropping from above in copious numbers (everybody loves to spam call-in elite, +the "super reinforcement" thing), is like that ridiculous V-rocket firing at military targets.
Although then again, you have Penal Conscripts running around also...
i like the it but what are the panzernests for? and what will tripwires do?
i like the skins but are those landser on the top pics?
Man, RE-READ my message, you've quoted here, and get it: it's not about italian troops, it's about absurdness and OPness of axis elite paratroopers.So, I suppose, it should reflect axis forces on the eastern front, not in Italy, etc.,- that's what other axis factions are there for, to begin with.
Mussolini sent a large number of troops (relatively small compared to Germany as a whole, but enough to be significant) to fight on the eastern front, and there were Italian divisions in Stalingrad at the time of the siege. Of course, they were devastated due to the horrible morale, and the losses at Stalingrad really de-moralized Italians back home.
@GSmirlis the Communist.+1
Why do you need Romanian army?
first Ostheer can also fight against USA, and Romanian didn't fight against the USA.
Second: it doesn't add much, calling them Romanian support, if you realy want your Romanian army, just RP it or something.
Romanian support tree?? If at the end they made to be in the foreign units under a random name is enough for them.
Will the Panzernest (yes, I saw the picture) be an anti tank mine?
Prioritised Support - 2CP (For a short period of time Ostheer produce more resources)
[...]i get your point but we don't know anything about duration and costs and how much additional ressources it will give. let's wait for OH beta balance tests ;)QuotePrioritised Support - 2CP (For a short period of time Ostheer produce more resources)
That's overpowerd because the Wehrmacht gets a ressource boost only as the last ability. I think you should switch it with Prioritised Weapons - 2CP (For a short period of time Ostheer produce units faster).
Looks pretty cool, though I thought you guys weren't going to do foreign troops? I don't personally have a problem with it, just that's the tone I seem to have gotten from previous discussions on the topic. ;)
I'm not so sure about the paratroopers since there were never any German airborne operations on the Russian Front (and none at all after the Battle of Crete in May 1941, though I'm sure most of you knew that already), but this mod isn't trying to be strictly historical so I suppose it's okay.
Just bugs me a leeetle. :P
I like it all, but especially the SdKfz for air support. I'd leave out the King Tiger, with Elefant they have two super heavy tanks. Better would be setting the Elefant on the King Tigers spot (it's like a fortification itself^^) and where it has been before, add to Tiger replaces Panther the option to replace Marder II with Nashorn (8,8 for the front^^).. where the tiger has been before, a change from StuG III to JgPz IV would be good in favour of exchanging the standard units with "Eliteeinheiten" (elite troups), would actually fit the name [of the doctrine] better..
Just an idea by me ;)
ps nice Infskins
ja das ubersetzer!
Sind sie ein Grammar Nazi?ja das ubersetzer!
Der Übersetzer ;)
Sind sie ein Grammar Nazi?ja das ubersetzer!Der Übersetzer ;)
Sind sie ein Grammar Nazi?ja das ubersetzer!Der Übersetzer ;)
Kind of, that's why I joined the translators. But I am under no circumstances a nazi. ;)
to be honest i dont like the foreign support thing, is it to late to think of something else to replace it?So...you'd create a new faction and instead of new units, you'd have the ability to call units from the old 2 factions and fight alongside the old factions....right, pretty original. Mix and match WH/PE and call it Ostheer?
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how about like westren support, kinda of like having vetren units from the other axis factions
to be honest i dont like the foreign support thing, is it to late to think of something else to replace it?So...you'd create a new faction and instead of new units, you'd have the ability to call units from the old 2 factions and fight alongside the old factions....right, pretty original. Mix and match WH/PE and call it Ostheer?
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how about like westren support, kinda of like having vetren units from the other axis factions
Hi there!! Good job kamarads!I would like to think that Sturer Emil could be the reward unit for the Elefant :).
1. I thing it was a good ideea to combine Self propeled arty with Luftwaffe Recon. Reveal and hit tactic..:-?
2. I thing the Sturer Emil is more beautiful than Elephant...
3. Aaand...i hope that the Wespe is a little bit violent than Hummel (fast move on the ground and fast reload)?
sorry about my english:(
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It will be nice if we could take down Stuka Recon ..and for a some time nothing fly above our heads...the zone will be again in shadow if the stuka is silent.
sorry about my f..english grammar:(
I would like to think that Sturer Emil could be the reward unit for the Elefant :).
Where we can play this masterpiece? ???You mean ostheer?? Don't know, it's not released yet.
Where we can play this masterpiece? ???
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT DONE!
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT DONE!
Don't touch my Panther:))
More Tigers it seem to OP...and Panther is a good tank. What u can say about Panther II? Panther II vs T34-85 :>?
Nashorn
This is the Big Brother of Sturer and Marder. We allready have Marders, so next "born" is Sturer Emil...
OSTHEER IS DONE WHEN IT DONE!
Dude gotta change my Signatur to this :P.
Don't touch my Panther:))
More Tigers it seem to OP...and Panther is a good tank. What u can say about Panther II? Panther II vs T34-85 :>?
Nashorn
This is the Big Brother of Sturer and Marder. We allready have Marders, so next "born" is Sturer Emil...
Why bother to include new units if you can put all units from Wehr+PE and just change skins/adjust combat values?
I like Panther too, but I'm not looking forward to see it in Ostheer. What about making a Tiger which will have same combat data as Panther? Would it be ok? Panther model inside Tiger skin. And honestly I don't know where it come from that Tiger is OP, because there is no problem to decrease some of its values if this was the problem.
Heir, bin ich. Was ist mit Ihnen?Sind sie ein Grammar Nazi?ja das ubersetzer!Der Übersetzer ;)
[...]Because everyone decided to get the Tiger Ace as KT replacement :). And we think a reward unit should bring a unique feeling and gameplay, not only a skin change.
Regarding Nashorn: it is still better than remodelled King Tiger... if devs have new model of KT why don't they just replace the present model in Terror doctr. of Wehr? It would be better solution.
Problem is: U cant talk about eastern front without Panther and Tiger.
Both tanks were developed as answer for the russian T-34 so an Ostheer NEED this symbols.
There is no way around.
Problem is: U cant talk about eastern front without Panther and Tiger.
Both tanks were developed as answer for the russian T-34 so an Ostheer NEED this symbols.
There is no way around.
Problem is: U cant talk about eastern front without Panther and Tiger.
Both tanks were developed as answer for the russian T-34 so an Ostheer NEED this symbols.
There is no way around.
Hell yeah! :D
Problem is: U cant talk about eastern front without Panther and Tiger.
Both tanks were developed as answer for the russian T-34 so an Ostheer NEED this symbols.
There is no way around.
Hell yeah! :D
It'd be true if EF only included Ostheer and Soviets....but includes WH and PE. As such its more about delivering a different faction than it is about the 'must have units'...well...that's my opinion anyways
Let's hope this works, otherwise will be changed in the beta ;D.Problem is: U cant talk about eastern front without Panther and Tiger.
Both tanks were developed as answer for the russian T-34 so an Ostheer NEED this symbols.
There is no way around.
Hell yeah! :D
It'd be true if EF only included Ostheer and Soviets....but includes WH and PE. As such its more about delivering a different faction than it is about the 'must have units'...well...that's my opinion anyways
Both tanks were developed as answer for the russian T-34 so an Ostheer NEED this symbols.Simple as that.
I know that Elephant is a legend but i find it a little "ugly"..is a house on wheels...you mean 200mm armor ;D
but powerfull..has an 88mm and 20mm thick armour:> . Enough to destroy Su-85/Su-100 :-?
[...]
What i'm trying to say...replace Marder II with Elephant and put in doctrine the Sturer Emil > 2 pieces...[...]
while playing Terror Doctrine I'll use Tiger Ace ( who is far more cool than KT).But... The Königstiger replaced the Tiger Ace. How can you use the Tiger Ace? ???
Yes, u've right;)
I'm going to make some constructive criticism, not because I want to bash this mod, but because I feel it's important for anyone and everyone to impart their opinions, all for the greater glory of this mod.Well, to me sounds the same, as is not implemented yet don't know if will work as US Recon Run. At least Ostheer doesn't have off-map arty XD.
Luftwaffe Recon Command: The only variation that makes this different than America's Recon ability is that the ability is unit-dependent. That is, it requires a unit on the field to allow this ability to function. I like that it's different and it certainly has different implications in the game, but at its core it is the same ability as America's Recon ability. I understand it's usefulness, especially to allow Brandenburger to infiltrate behind enemy lines, but how is that 'ability combo' any different than performing Recon + Paratroopers with America? It seems exactly the same, unless I'm missing something.
Branderburger: Going along with the point above, these seem just like the other paratrooper-types (Fallschirmjagers and Paratroopers) in the game. Hopefully their equipment differentiates them, but their implementation is the same as America's Paratroopers.I don't think this has anything wrong. I cannot think of a new way to get them on the field other than falls-like or airborne-like. Partisans also use Falls mechanism to get in and i don't think that fits them and probably will be seen as lazy(like some users might think of the current system as well). Besides, looks like Brandenburgers will be a two-man squad unlike paratroopers.
The Panzer Elite have Fallschirmjagers, which cannot paradrop into combat but instead can be deployed into a vacant house -- a key difference between Panzer Elite and America. If the Ostheer are going to have paratroopers of some sort, shouldn't they strive to act differently than the Panzer Elite and America?
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Just wanted to make these quick points, interested in hearing anyone's thoughts.
I edited the above. I misread it originally and thought two squads were dropped in, not a single 2-man squad. This has much more potential as a 2-man squad. I like the above idea mentioning fluency in Russian and/or cloaking or at least something that disguises them.You can bet it that will be an unique unit ;D!!
I doubt, it can be implemented, but if they could dress up in the enemy uniform (timed ability) and appear to the enemy as a unit of his own color, only being vulnerable to force-fire, that would be interesting.I dont like the who pushes the most buttons wins idea. Nor a game where you dress up. :P
so how about reinforcing those 88's ;Dread 2.7 changelog
I wish people wouldn't criticizes heavily used historical units as being copies of others. Brandenburgers I would assume would be the most elite unit in the game other than maybe the Soviet Elite Sniper. I would also assume that these 2 guys could take out about any other infantry squad 1 on 1. Also if they could implement some sort of confusion ability (like the story already posted) many Bradenburgers could speak Russia so fluently as to fool Russian Officers (dozen of written examples that started at the beginning of Barbarossa, they were used to secure bridges right under the noses of Soviet border guards.)
As for Foreign Troops
The Finns had a nice AT Rifle that latter in the war was made into an automatic version. Would be good at hurting lighter allied vehicles and tanks but not so much the heavy armor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahti_L-39 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahti_L-39)
Italians would be nice with SMGs, also an Italian Motorcycle group would be accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Model_38 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Model_38)
Hungary had a Panzerschrek on crack that is regarded as the best shoulder launched at weapon of WW2.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmilitiahungarorum.extra.hu%2F1920_f_k_rv_l_6.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmilitiahungarorum.extra.hu%2F1920_f_k_rv_l_6.html) (sorry google hungarian translation)
I would let the Romanians fill the role of the standard riflemen of the foreign call ins as they don't have the sexy weapons of the other nations but they did bring the 2nd most men of any axis nation in the invasion of Russia, so not to have them would be inaccurate. Spanish volunteer squad and Slovakians should also eventually be options.
Tanks for Hungarians I would recommend the Turan and the Nimrod 40mm flak tank. The Finns main armor would be a Stug but it would be able to ambush to differentiate, and the Finns were experts with there Stugs and had excellent kills to lose ratio with them. The Finns could also have a capture T-34. Romanians used the Renault so that could just be reskinned. Italian Sevemonte assualt gun would be there armor which.
If you end up dropping any of the abilites I highly recommend for historical purposes a Kubelwagon or Kradschutzen call in.
I really wish we could get a Kubelwagon and some proper Kradschutzen. It would be nice to have a light cheap vehicle that might not do much damage but were good at suppressing. Although not effective latter in the war, early war or early game these units would be useful and feel very authentic. The Wehrmacht bike is such a tool.
I doubt, it can be implemented, but if they could dress up in the enemy uniform (timed ability) and appear to the enemy as a unit of his own color, only being vulnerable to force-fire, that would be interesting.I dont like the who pushes the most buttons wins idea. Nor a game where you dress up. :P
Hmmm, I notice that the foreign support tanks. I don't know......I felt that foreign tanks that actually used in the Eastern Front are made up of lighter tanks that is, sorry to say this: soft and squishy. I wish that it was either the Czeh tanks or Hungarian or Romanians tanks. French.......no cause I did not hear much of French tank used in the Eastern Front, maybe not used at all. I like to see tanks such as the Panzer 38t and 35t, which I play in Theater Of War, it look soft and squishy but used tactically it was even superior than some Axis tank at that time. Flak tanks also a welcome ;D Especially Flakpanzer I, or Mobelwagen.
Some B1 and Somua were used during the war in the eastern front,might be fun to have a B1 under your command.
Emil, Panther II, and the mouse were prototypes that should not be engaged in ostherr. T-38 were really cool as a light support function ...I think Sturer Emil has more chances than Panther II or maus... heck even Panther II has more chances than maus :-\. The problem with the maus besides being a prototype is that is a fail prototype and breaks every CoH balance rule now and then, it's not a unit that you can tweak to make it "balanced". I don't know why many users like the Maus :-X.
ps the elephant has destroyed over 500 enemy vehicles at Kursk and it lost only 20 ;D
because a lot of user play World of Tanks :DEmil, Panther II, and the mouse were prototypes that should not be engaged in ostherr. T-38 were really cool as a light support function ...I think Sturer Emil has more chances than Panther II or maus... heck even Panther II has more chances than maus :-\. The problem with the maus besides being a prototype is that is a fail prototype and breaks every CoH balance rule now and then, it's not a unit that you can tweak to make it "balanced". I don't know why many users like the Maus :-X.
ps the elephant has destroyed over 500 enemy vehicles at Kursk and it lost only 20 ;D
It seems balanced. :)Both look good!! Especially Tatra!
I doubt there will be achance for a 2 CP tank (Toldi) but some foreign ACs would be nice.
(http://forum.valka.cz/files/tatra-oa-30_1cs.jpg)
(http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/Italy/Ita-Autoblinda-AB40-1.JPG)
ps the elephant has destroyed over 500 enemy vehicles at Kursk and it lost only 20 ;DThats sounds like false propoganda :P but its irrelevant anyway. What pride is their in kill/death ratios if you're defeated? none
include some kind Anti-Tank emplacement in the defense doctrine.
OH can non-doctrinally build pantherturms I believe, with fortress pioneers.Not as afaik. But perhaps they will, if the ketten-like thingy is done.
OH can non-doctrinally build pantherturms I believe, with fortress pioneers.Not as afaik. But perhaps they will, if the ketten-like thingy is done.
OH can non-doctrinally build pantherturms I believe, with fortress pioneers.
Just use the elephant, not a prototype like the Sturer Emil.Always the Maus xDDD
ow and BTW: the Maus is Ugly, fat and to expensive if added.
Just use the elephant, not a prototype like the Sturer Emil.No one said we are going to replace the Elefant in Ostheer. Elefant > Sturer Emil. But Sturer Emil would fit as reward unit for the Elefant.
ow and BTW: the Maus is Ugly, fat and to expensive if added.
+1Just use the elephant, not a prototype like the Sturer Emil.Always the Maus xDDD
ow and BTW: the Maus is Ugly, fat and to expensive if added.
I would be so happy when i had not to read this word here xDDD
//Friendly suggestions //
#Interesting, in all 3 doctrines there`s no off-map artillery :o (it would be nice to have some mention of Heavy Siege Howitzers like Czechoslovak 24 cm Haubitze 39 or Austrian 305 mm Škoda Mörser M. 11 ).
#Inf and vehicle ability cool-down restart . Just something to think about. Greetings from the front ;)
yeah why add something when theres was like 2 build during the war and only one used? ::)
//Friendly suggestions //
#Interesting, in all 3 doctrines there`s no off-map artillery :o (it would be nice to have some mention of Heavy Siege Howitzers like Czechoslovak 24 cm Haubitze 39 or Austrian 305 mm Škoda Mörser M. 11 ).
#Inf and vehicle ability cool-down restart . Just something to think about. Greetings from the front ;)
that seems like it would be good, the eastern front had the largest artillery of the war. the two possibiites that realy strikeme as excellent are, the Schwerer Gustav an 80 cm K (E) railway siege gun, and the Karl-Gerät a self propelled 60 cm mortar. this could be a sort of v-1 like ability heavy damage but long reload time and high cost. it would be interesting to see them as a adition to or reward for the doctorines.
as well i haven't seen any aa units for the OH something like the Kugelblitz would be interesting. only 5 were built and appearently fought in berlin.
+1 :-X+1Just use the elephant, not a prototype like the Sturer Emil.Always the Maus xDDD
ow and BTW: the Maus is Ugly, fat and to expensive if added.
I would be so happy when i had not to read this word here xDDD
There's no need to discuss anything about the maus, that tank will never be added as regular unit for Ostheer and perhaps won't be in the OH campaign as well.
Nashorn > Sturer Emil howeverJust use the elephant, not a prototype like the Sturer Emil.No one said we are going to replace the Elefant in Ostheer. Elefant > Sturer Emil. But Sturer Emil would fit as reward unit for the Elefant.
ow and BTW: the Maus is Ugly, fat and to expensive if added.
+1Nashorn > Sturer Emil howeverJust use the elephant, not a prototype like the Sturer Emil.No one said we are going to replace the Elefant in Ostheer. Elefant > Sturer Emil. But Sturer Emil would fit as reward unit for the Elefant.
ow and BTW: the Maus is Ugly, fat and to expensive if added.
-1 :))+1Nashorn > Sturer Emil howeverJust use the elephant, not a prototype like the Sturer Emil.No one said we are going to replace the Elefant in Ostheer. Elefant > Sturer Emil. But Sturer Emil would fit as reward unit for the Elefant.
ow and BTW: the Maus is Ugly, fat and to expensive if added.
just two tanks but one of them with 22 kills:>
Breath and relax man... I understand that u never replace Elephant with Sturer..it's clear..i just say it will be nice to be as "rewar vechicle"..just check it there and u can play with it..Quotejust two tanks but one of them with 22 kills:>So simple answer: NO.
Yes, but you see that there is no sense of including it except of eye candy. And what did you say about Elefant? Offensive? Huh?
If you would let the Elefant be the spearhead of an offensive, good luck. It's supposed to be like a mobile anti tank emplacement, so it's rather defensive and easy to outmaneuver.
Yes, but you see that there is no sense of including it except of eye candy. And what did you say about Elefant? Offensive? Huh?
If you would let the Elefant be the spearhead of an offensive, good luck. It's supposed to be like a mobile anti tank emplacement, so it's rather defensive and easy to outmaneuver.
Well said! The Elephant can be offensive(with some support) because he is more resistant have 200mm armore full covered, right, than Sturer who is partially covered, with weacker armor, just range must be his advantage:-?
do you have to do something to unlock the Sturer Emil? ;DIs not bad what ar u saying there..but the "Balance" problems will born because then will be both tanks on the field:( and then u ar a "bad-bad fan boooy":))
dunno if possible but maby you can unlock it when you have ** kills with Elefant :D
Hey EF Team and COH lovers all round the world!
Sorry if i repeating a already answered question but what will the next sneaky be about? greetings from germany! :-*
I mean: you can build a Elephant. in 1 game, you killed 10 Tanks.do you have to do something to unlock the Sturer Emil? ;DIs not bad what ar u saying there..but the "Balance" problems will born because then will be both tanks on the field:( and then u ar a "bad-bad fan boooy":))
dunno if possible but maby you can unlock it when you have ** kills with Elefant :D
Same as the Tiger camo for blitzkrieg which requires you to complete the campaign to unlock it, no the challenge would have to be campaign related if its at all possible not through online matches be it vs human or compsI mean: you can build a Elephant. in 1 game, you killed 10 Tanks.do you have to do something to unlock the Sturer Emil? ;DIs not bad what ar u saying there..but the "Balance" problems will born because then will be both tanks on the field:( and then u ar a "bad-bad fan boooy":))
dunno if possible but maby you can unlock it when you have ** kills with Elefant :D
because you kiled 10 tanks with 1 Elephant you can replace the Elephant for the Sturer Emil in the nekst game :)
Tiger II with Henschel turret? Why? There is already a tiger II. Meh.
Plus I tought super armor were a pain to balance out!
Improved supply looks like very OP for a faction based on quality. Hope it won't be a problem.
Panzerkrieg effect should have belonged to breakthrough strategy though, as Wordsmith suggested a long time ago. Inspiring Speech is currently useless. :P
Nah, Ostheer needs super tanks too and fits with the defensive doctrine :). Improved supply would have drawbacks as well, ofc.
Tiger II with Henschel turret? Why? There is already a tiger II. Meh.
Plus I tought super armor were a pain to balance out!
Improved supply looks like very OP for a faction based on quality. Hope it won't be a problem.
Panzerkrieg effect should have belonged to breakthrough strategy though, as Wordsmith suggested a long time ago. Inspiring Speech is currently useless. :P
+1
Nah, Ostheer needs super tanks too and fits with the defensive doctrine :). Improved supply would have drawbacks as well, ofc.
Panzerkrieg was being saved for Ostheer, imo fits better to them.
We are reworking propaganda, we could check that too, if you can suggest something better and balanced why not? Currently is like a doctrinal sprint and iirc, once active troops doesn't get suppressed (don't remember if it's break suppression though). Could be better things to put? perhaps, is it useless? i don't think so.
wasn't the henschel turret better? I like the idea of a armor heavy command tree. The Soviets have some challenging tanks so to be able to matching IS2s and Cheap but good T34s on a big open map it would be nice to have tigers with a tiger II. Seems pretty bad ass to me. Although Id prefer a Kubelwagen or Motorcycle troops that dont suck and can suppress to anything else :P
wasn't the henschel turret better? I like the idea of a armor heavy command tree. The Soviets have some challenging tanks so to be able to matching IS2s and Cheap but good T34s on a big open map it would be nice to have tigers with a tiger II. Seems pretty bad ass to me. Although Id prefer a Kubelwagen or Motorcycle troops that dont suck and can suppress to anything else :PWhat does the Henschel look like?
The henchell turret was much better. It had thicker armour, it was easier to make, it had no shot trap and it was a smaller frontal target.
In the war, the Elephant was a failure. Big, slow and the first variants (the Ferdinands) doesn't got any defensive mg, so they were sitting ducks for soviet magnetic mines and AT weapons. It was effective in long distances and was heavier than a Tiger tank (!!!!). So it really a defensive, mobile 88 mm gun. Nashorn would be a great reward unit for the Elephant. 8)Yes, but you see that there is no sense of including it except of eye candy. And what did you say about Elefant? Offensive? Huh?
If you would let the Elefant be the spearhead of an offensive, good luck. It's supposed to be like a mobile anti tank emplacement, so it's rather defensive and easy to outmaneuver.
Well said! The Elephant can be offensive(with some support) because he is more resistant have 200mm armore full covered, right, than Sturer who is partially covered, with weacker armor, just range must be his advantage:-?..
Anyway, if that point of strategy is unimportant, u have right ..is just a waste of time..
The other night on the history channel a german veteran who was a driver of a ferdinand on the eastern front said they were such an engineering disaster his engine caught fire just driving up a small hill.the ferdinands were rushed into battle without proper testing. just like panthers and tigers, because the germans thought these tanks were needed immediately. every new tank has weaknesses, that's why it is normally tested before it's sent into combat. if you decide to skip these tests -> failure ::)
superior german engineering huh? :P
Panther wasn't that much of a failure.i was referring to the battles when they first saw combat. e.g. ferdinands had weaknesses (poor mobility, tech problems, no mg) but were very effective vs. enemy tanks. i just wanted to say that you can't say XY was a failure because of its first engagement.
loads of tanks had problems, the Panther was the most unreliable German tank of the war apart from the experimental tigers like the Sturmtiger.
That is not actually true. I have read plenty things written by German Tankers that have said the Panther was as /or more reliable than the Panzer 4.
I heard the panther was more reliable than even the P4 but it was far harder to change parts/repair when it did break down?
The German tanks were best used defensively. e.g the only major German offensive in the west (the Bulge) was lead by Pz4's cos they were more reliable
All of the German Panzers rushed into battle had problems on debut. Afterwards most reliability problems were fixed but the leading cause of tiger deaths was either break downs or air attacks.One should never underestimate/overestimate the properties of particular model of a tank.
If that is the case, then have you ever heard of Otto Carius? His Tiger's went up against ISU-152s and IS-2s. Both of those have better armor, armament, and better engines. You cannot say that the tiger was "superior" in that instance. The crews though, yes.
If that is the case, then have you ever heard of Otto Carius? His Tiger's went up against ISU-152s and IS-2s. Both of those have better armor, armament, and better engines. You cannot say that the tiger was "superior" in that instance. The crews though, yes.
When u would have read (or talk with) Otto Carius u could know that he had surprised this IS-2 and ISU-152 tanks ;) They were part of the 1st russian tank brigade Josef Stalin. After destroying a StuG-Abteilung at a small town near Daugavpils (Dünaburg) the russian tank brigade make a rest. During this rest Carius and a second Tiger rushed in full speed into this town and destroyed IS-2 and other tanks by surprise and from very low distance. Some historians call this battle "Villers Bocage of the east". Carius got the knight cross for this action.
So it was a special situation u cant use for common battle situations ^^
But in fact we can discuss till doomsday here. Fact is - like Zerstörer said - its all irrelevant to the game ;)
"Villers-Bocage of the East" - this is going to be my next map :D
See here:Thanks!
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?board=7.0 (http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?board=7.0)
I think it would be more interesting if it wasn't in such a cool language. ;) Think you could give us unfortunate Englishers the gist of it?That's my friendly advice, and suggestion:
Thanks, but i think it was a little excessive to post all of it. ;)
correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the germans have a better kill to knokout ratio than the russians? dosen't that prove something,One thing I like to remind people of; your kill to death ratio counts for nothing if you have been defeated.
correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the germans have a better kill to knokout ratio than the russians? dosen't that prove something,don't forget that the germans were mostly fighting out of defensive positions, while the russians were attacking.
41-43 it was the germans 43-45 the soviets....I'd say it was mostly the other way aroundcorrect me if i'm wrong but didn't the germans have a better kill to knokout ratio than the russians? dosen't that prove something,don't forget that the germans were mostly fighting out of defensive positions, while the russians were attacking.
The panther is widely considered to be one of the best in WW2. Early versions suffered from mechanical problems, borne from lack of proper testing....Which means what, exactly, to Company Of Heroes? ;)
Panzerkampfwagon Ausf G was very reliable, having 2953 built, it was a great success compared to D and A.(D being the Bad Broken models.)
That our panthers rocks :P. Seriously i think this topic has come to it's end. I'll close it now, but don't be sad, on a few days the next Sneaky peaky will be posted.The panther is widely considered to be one of the best in WW2. Early versions suffered from mechanical problems, borne from lack of proper testing....Which means what, exactly, to Company Of Heroes? ;)
Panzerkampfwagon Ausf G was very reliable, having 2953 built, it was a great success compared to D and A.(D being the Bad Broken models.)