Company of Heroes: Eastern Front
Eastern Front Mod (Read-Only) => Suggestions => Ostheer Suggestions => Topic started by: Ricardo on January 24, 2010, 01:41:51 PM
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Dear PLayers, Develppers,
I know that we have to be political corrects but how can we talk about the Eastern Front without adding the Waffen SS units ?
If we watch carefully the bloody conflict on the Eastern Front the Waffen SS played a major part in the different battles: Kharkov, Koursk, Tcherkassy, etc
I just want you to think about a solution that would be acceptable for everybody in terms of trespect of the history and units that would not offense poeple or victims.
I would alos like to ask you whethe it would be possible to provide camo uniforms to German troops ?
Thank you in advance for your answer or time taken to read me.
PS Great job with this mod !!! ;) ;) ;)
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Is the Panzerelite not SS ?
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I just want you to think about a solution that would be acceptable for everybody in terms of trespect of the history and units that would not offense poeple or victims.
Tell anyone who complains about them to fuck off. The Soviets were not much better than them, morally speaking.
And no, Panzer Elite are ad-hoc units formed with a bit of every arm (infantry, artillery, armor).
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First they have SS ranks and second ist is not based on the 2.SS Panzerkorps ?
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Why do we need the SS?? I mean you just need names for the units and the ranks but for the rest is enough space to work without the ss names and plz remember that when EF will use SS-names and ranks u will kick out all the german mod players because here ss is still forbidden.
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Im not a Politician, so dont tell me whats politically correct. SS was on the Eastern Front. They shouldnt be in the game because a they did bad things?
Maybe you should quit playing CoH, War is a bad thing.
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Hey. I'm a german and i had nothing against SS-names but you should have in mind that the SS will make problems.
First i think you dont need the SS when u just search for unit names and second in germany it is forbidden to play computergames with SS and other "criminal war institutions" so that when EF would use the SS german players would do illagal things when they play this mod
( okay thats not for everyone a problem ( not for me xD ) but there are gamers who had problems with this!!!! ).
So plz respect this and think about it ;) Germany is a state which had to handle with its own history till today.
When u can explain why SS should be part of the game thn i will not say anything more against it.
BUT just saying "SS was on eastern front" is bull shit ;) That is not a real hitting argument FOR the SS because SS was although at the western front and u see that CoH works well without SS ( The Panzerlite is perhaps the SS but this faction work quiet well with its "fictional name" ).
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The SS are in CoH already. Ever played the campaign?
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And who said the SS weren't going to be included or represented in Eastern Front?...
The Ostheer will be a historical image of the Axis forces that fought against the Soviets there - we will include what existed and what works in a balance/gameplay sense.
Please don't jump to inclusions on what we are going to or not going to include.
kick out all the german mod players because here ss is still forbidden.
I don't live in Germany and I like everyone else know that isn't true.
German law forbids the active support of Nazi related imagery, NOT the presentation and use of images for historical and educational purposes.
We quite clearly don't support Nazi doctrine and do not plan on using the Nazi historical symbolism to support Nazism.
I really don't like it when Germans use that argument, it's false, and history should not be hidden simply because you don't like its contents - and YOUR law supports me.
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Dear All,
I understand your remarks and comments. This post aimed at creating the debate about the arrival of the Waffen SS.
Now as mentioned in the comments if it is forbidden in Germany or and could make people sad see SS so let's drop the idea...
Pe is the Waffen SS according to me. But maybe - as mentioned in opening post I wrote - could the developpers of Eastern Front think about the camo uniforms typically wore by the waffen SS. The asset is that everybody would recognize them and we would not have to mention clearly who they are. Not a good idea ?
In of the doctrine maybe could you add an option like arrival of 2d Panzerkoprs or SPzAbtailung (whatever) ?
Whatever you do again GREAT JOB men :P
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Now as mentioned in the comments if it is forbidden in Germany or and could make people sad
That´s just stupid.
Pe is the Waffen SS according to me.
According to you, sure, but in the game they are not. They are kampfgruppes, battalions formed by the amalgamation of different units.
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kick out all the german mod players because here ss is still forbidden.
I don't live in Germany and I like everyone else know that isn't true.
German law forbids the active support of Nazi related imagery, NOT the presentation and use of images for historical and educational purposes.
We quite clearly don't support Nazi doctrine and do not plan on using the Nazi historical symbolism to support Nazism.
I really don't like it when Germans use that argument, it's false, and history should not be hidden simply because you don't like its contents - and YOUR law supports me.
and history should not be hidden simply because you don't like its contents: I work a lot with the history of my land and so i wont hind behind history :)
About your argument of german law:
Thats not completely right.
I have nothing against SS but i have
although to respect german law, my law.
Here in german it is allowed to show nazi symboles
when u need for historical education, for art and
for information. PC-Games does not fit in this three
categories and so german law said that it is forbidden
to publish and use "nazi symbols" on german servers,
forums, ect. and it is although forbidden to use this
symbols.
I informed me about it because as historian i work
a lot with this symbols and signs and so i was interested
what is allowed and what is not allowed ;)
In End i have nothing against using the Name "Waffen-SS" and so one BUT i think it would be a good idea to think about it if a mod could live without this. Just thinking. I mean your NKVD conscripts are close to this problem and u decided to call them NKVD conscripts. Thats okay. I respect this but i think you devs had discuss this before you named them NKVD and so i want that you devs discuss this, not more.
Thank you ;)
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i agree with rommel about the german law thing
and i personally (i am german)
wouldnt feel comfortable playing the SS
it works just fine with the Panzerelite and the KCH
so why include the real SS (with Names and symbols and stuff)
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i agree with rommel about the german law thing
and i personally (i am german)
wouldnt feel comfortable playing the SS
it works just fine with the Panzerelite and the KCH
so why include the real SS (with Names and symbols and stuff)
Why wouldn't you feel comfortable playing the Waffel SS?
I mean Soviets have their NKVD and there is a difference between normal SS and Waffen SS.
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There's a difference between the Waffen SS and "Camp Guard and Nazi politicians' Bodyguard" SS. Waffen were battlefield troops, they were a branch of the SS, sure, but they certainly didn't work at Auschwitz or Treblinka.
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There's a difference between the Waffen SS and "Camp Guard and Nazi politicians' Bodyguard" SS. Waffen were battlefield troops, they were a branch of the SS, sure, but they certainly didn't work at Auschwitz or Treblinka.
yes this is true
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As Lord Rommel said, nazi-symbols like the swastika and the SS-runes are forbidden in Germany, with some exception.
However, video-games aren't such an exception.
I also agree with Pauly3 on the topic of playing as SS. I don't want to do that, yet I still want to play Ostheer.
Why can't you leave the SS out of the name and Uniform, you can still have the camouflage and their "elite" abilities. ::)
So everybody could think about them what he wants, and at the same time nobody is forced to think about SS.
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As Lord Rommel said, nazi-symbols like the swastika and the SS-runes are forbidden in Germany, with some exception.
However, video-games aren't such an exception.
I also agree with Pauly3 on the topic of playing as SS. I don't want to do that, yet I still want to play Ostheer.
Why can't you leave the SS out of the name and Uniform, you can still have the camouflage and their "elite" abilities. ::)
So everybody could think about them what he wants, and at the same time nobody is forced to think about SS.
Or have a sugar-coated German version of the patch.
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Is the Panzerelite not SS ?
No. Panzer Elite is based on the Panzer Lehr Division, an elite Wehrmacht unit that fought off the British during Operation Market Garden.
It is therefore 100% Wehrmacht. Also, for people who think these guys 'look' like SS because of their Camo: Splittertarn was used only by Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe.
The SS was using other camo patterns, among them Erbsentarn, Platanenmuster, Eichentarn, etc.
Even the Stormtroopers of the regular Wehrmacht Faction, though obviously meant to suggest Waffen-SS are wearing a Fall version of the rare, late-war Leibertarn. This one was given out to both Wehrmacht and Waffen SS - though because of its late introduction and low production rates, it is almost completely unknown...
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The Waffen-SS, the combat arm of the SS (the Nazi Party's paramilitary organization), became the de facto fourth branch of the Wehrmacht, as it expanded from three regiments to 38 divisions by 1945. The SS was autonomous and existed in parallel to the Wehrmacht; Waffen-SS field units, however, were under the operational control of the Armed Forces High Command (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, OKW) or the Army High Command (Oberkommando des Heeres, OKH)
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Why can't you leave the SS out of the name and Uniform, you can still have the camouflage and their "elite" abilities. ::)
You don´t want to play SS, and that´s fine by me. But I don´t see why everyone else has to be denied that possibility. What if I want to play SS? That doesn´t mean I´m a nazi, you know, I just like their elite status and their fearsome aura.
Seriously though, to all SS-nayers. GROW UP. The Red Army did things every bit as bad as the SS, but I don´t see you complaining about that. Maybe you should go to the eastern half of Germany and say how much you love playing the Red Army. You know? The guys who pillaged, burned, shot and raped their way through Germany?
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...I feel saddened that we are in a age where we on longer detest horrible things like the SS....
That people come with idiotic sayings... trying to make it less worse just because ''russians'' were also bad...
God you make me ***** angry, why not hate the SS?? Why even make them being able to play? Why don't you all hate them to such a level?
....Of course what do i expect? ''zomg the russians did bad too'' Fuc*ing retards. I fucki*g despise people for not hating the SS. So f****ing ignorant, so fucki*** retarded so fuc**** disgusting. Grow UP people and hate what should be hated.
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"...I feel saddened that we are in a age where we on longer detest horrible things like the SS....
That people come with idiotic sayings... trying to make it less worse just because ''russians'' were also bad...
God you make me ***** angry, why not hate the SS?? Why even make them being able to play? Why don't you all hate them to such a level?
....Of course what do i expect? ''zomg the russians did bad too'' Fuc*ing retards. I fucki*g despise people for not hating the SS. So f****ing ignorant, so fucki*** retarded so fuc**** disgusting. Grow UP people and hate what should be hated."
Then the Russians should be hated too. If there are ging to be Stalin's Russians in this mod with Commissars then it makes sense for there to be SS. The Waffen and Guard SS are two different branches. Why don't you hate the Russians? Unless your grandparents and their parents suffered under the fear of the SS because they were Jews. Be happy that the SS only targeted specific people while Stalin killed everyone.
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Mild references to the SS are fine, but I'd rather not see them in the Ostheer.
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I think adding Waffen SS is good idea. I mean I'm not a nazi, but you guys are wrong. Everybody said, that Waffen SS were kiling Jews and other nations, and that's not true. That was Allgemaine SS and Einsatzgruppen. Waffen SS was military organisation. They of course commited war crimes ( killing POWs, etc), but nobody see that Waffen SS were very well trained, armed, and they had very big morale. They were also fighting until the end, no matter of costs. Lots of Wehrmacht commanders ( for example von Manstein) were satisfied when they had Waffen SS units under command.
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They of course commited war crimes ( killing POWs, etc)
I fully agree with your post but here is to add that no side is free of war crimes in ww2
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Even if SS didn't murdered jews, the things they did are still evil.
The thing is, you can't release the mod in Germany or host the files on a German server, because nazi-symbols aren't allowed there.
Furthermore, why do we need some unit-name, telling they're SS? Just because they were part of the Eastern Front doesn't justify this in my opinion.
Company of Heroes was never realistic nore wants to teach history and however thinks you can learn something bout history from video-games is just a dumb... ::)
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...I feel saddened that we are in a age where we on longer detest horrible things like the SS....
I wouldn´t be in a hurry to join them, if that´s what you are implying.
That people come with idiotic sayings... trying to make it less worse just because ''russians'' were also bad...
God you make me ***** angry, why not hate the SS?? Why even make them being able to play? Why don't you all hate them to such a level?
....Of course what do i expect? ''zomg the russians did bad too'' Fuc*ing retards. I fucki*g despise people for not hating the SS. So f****ing ignorant, so fucki*** retarded so fuc**** disgusting. Grow UP people and hate what should be hated.
No, YOU need to grow up, you moron. If we can´t have the Waffen SS (just another Wehr unit by another name) in this game for morality reasons, then we can´t have the GODDAMN RED ARMY EITHER. BECAUSE THE RED ARMY PERFORMED AT EXACTLY THE SAME LEVEL OF CRUELTY AND DEPRAVITY, IF NOT WORSE, SO IT WOULD BE HYPOCRITICAL TO FORBID ONE ARMY AND NOT THE OTHER.
Do you actually KNOW WHAT THE RED ARMY DID AS THEY WENT INTO GERMANY? DO YOU?
Here is a history lesson for you, kid.
They pillaged all the towns, stealing the property of the German people and sending it to their homes. The officers would of course steal a lot more than the common soldier. Tank crews would tie mattresses to the sides of their tanks (not just for anti-RPG protection).
This is where the funny part ends.
They would shoot teenagers because they presupposed they were German partisans. They thought the children were little more than the cubs of the "German beast" that would grow up to hate Russia, so many thought they should have been killed like animals.
They raped little girls, women and old women from Prussia to Germany. They would do this in groups, with a dozen men raping a single person at a time (there are higher "scores", I´ve read about it). If they were drunk, which was a wide-spread problem in the Red Army, they would sometimes not be able to get it up, so they would use bottles and other things they found to rape these women, causing terrible wounds. Many of these women would later commit suicide, had to have abortions, and/or would suffer veneral diseases.
They didn´t even limit themselves to raping German women, which while horrible, was at least understandable. They would also rape those of other nationalities, including women found in the concentration and extermination camps. Not even Russian women just liberated were spared.
Why the FUCK do you think there were such episodes of mass panic in Germany leading to thousands upon thousands of refugees fleeing west? Maybe because they were hearing what was happening as the Red Army advanced?
The Red Army was a medieval army with machineguns. A gigantic proportion of it had no regard for the laws of war, no respect for the enemy, and even less respect for civilians, theirs or the enemy´s. Meanwhile, while the political arm of the SS were douchebags of astronomical proportions, most of their military forces were pretty much just elite combat units, like any of the Wehrmacht. Of course, some of these units did commit war crimes that are pretty famous, but most of them simply fulfilled their duties as soldiers.
So excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess, but I find no problem in playing with SS, or with Russian troops, because it´s been SEVENTY YEARS since the events scenified in the game, and I am perfectly capable of playing a STRATEGY GAME for the military simulation and fun aspects of it. I´m not so stupid as to take one of these two factions as morally superior to each other because as far as I care, they were both SCUM. And I don´t play only to "roleplay" and masturbate over being a commander in the morally superior side of World War II.
So do me a couple of favors:
1- Shut the fuck up.
2- Whenever you are playing with the Russian faction, remember that a sizeable number of your troops are drunk rapists, murderes and thieves with no sense of honor or decency. That means you have no moral ground to say shit about people who want to play SS. At least the Waffen SS only committed a war crime now and then, not all the fucking time in every town they went through.
tl;dr
WAR CRIMES, LOL TIMES
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...I feel saddened that we are in a age where we on longer detest horrible things like the SS....
I wouldn´t be in a hurry to join them, if that´s what you are implying.
That people come with idiotic sayings... trying to make it less worse just because ''russians'' were also bad...
God you make me ***** angry, why not hate the SS?? Why even make them being able to play? Why don't you all hate them to such a level?
....Of course what do i expect? ''zomg the russians did bad too'' Fuc*ing retards. I fucki*g despise people for not hating the SS. So f****ing ignorant, so fucki*** retarded so fuc**** disgusting. Grow UP people and hate what should be hated.
No, YOU need to grow up, you moron. If we can´t have the Waffen SS (just another Wehr unit by another name) in this game for morality reasons, then we can´t have the GODDAMN RED ARMY EITHER. BECAUSE THE RED ARMY PERFORMED AT EXACTLY THE SAME LEVEL OF CRUELTY AND DEPRAVITY, IF NOT WORSE, SO IT WOULD BE HYPOCRITICAL TO FORBID ONE ARMY AND NOT THE OTHER.
Do you actually KNOW WHAT THE RED ARMY DID AS THEY WENT INTO GERMANY? DO YOU?
Here is a history lesson for you, kid.
They pillaged all the towns, stealing the property of the German people and sending it to their homes. The officers would of course steal a lot more than the common soldier. Tank crews would tie mattresses to the sides of their tanks (not just for anti-RPG protection).
This is where the funny part ends.
They would shoot teenagers because they presupposed they were German partisans. They thought the children were little more than the cubs of the "German beast" that would grow up to hate Russia, so many thought they should have been killed like animals.
They raped little girls, women and old women from Prussia to Germany. They would do this in groups, with a dozen men raping a single person at a time (there are higher "scores", I´ve read about it). If they were drunk, which was a wide-spread problem in the Red Army, they would sometimes not be able to get it up, so they would use bottles and other things they found to rape these women, causing terrible wounds. Many of these women would later commit suicide, had to have abortions, and/or would suffer veneral diseases.
They didn´t even limit themselves to raping German women, which while horrible, was at least understandable. They would also rape those of other nationalities, including women found in the concentration and extermination camps. Not even Russian women just liberated were spared.
Why the FUCK do you think there were such episodes of mass panic in Germany leading to thousands upon thousands of refugees fleeing west? Maybe because they were hearing what was happening as the Red Army advanced?
The Red Army was a medieval army with machineguns. A gigantic proportion of it had no regard for the laws of war, no respect for the enemy, and even less respect for civilians, theirs or the enemy´s. Meanwhile, while the political arm of the SS were douchebags of astronomical proportions, most of their military forces were pretty much just elite combat units, like any of the Wehrmacht. Of course, some of these units did commit war crimes that are pretty famous, but most of them simply fulfilled their duties as soldiers.
So excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess, but I find no problem in playing with SS, or with Russian troops, because it´s been SEVENTY YEARS since the events scenified in the game, and I am perfectly capable of playing a STRATEGY GAME for the military simulation and fun aspects of it. I´m not so stupid as to take one of these two factions as morally superior to each other because as far as I care, they were both SCUM. And I don´t play only to "roleplay" and masturbate over being a commander in the morally superior side of World War II.
So do me a couple of favors:
1- Shut the fuck up.
2- Whenever you are playing with the Russian faction, remember that a sizeable number of your troops are drunk rapists, murderes and thieves with no sense of honor or decency. That means you have no moral ground to say shit about people who want to play SS. At least the Waffen SS only committed a war crime now and then, not all the fucking time in every town they went through.
tl;dr
WAR CRIMES, LOL TIMES
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/01922/Forum%20expressions/1262194279257.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/01922/Forum%20expressions/1240869232742.jpg)
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The truely disgusting thing is wanting to forget or ignore the past, instead of remembering and learning from it. As far as i know, none of us had ties to Nazi Germany or the Waffen SS.
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Dear Players,
I am really happy to see that this topic creates the debate. It was my goal ;)
Since we may not add clearly (German law) units like the SS maybe a goed solution would be to make them appear with the typical camo unifom they were used to wear.
Such a solution should be welcomed both by anti and pro waffen SS units. The most important is that all parties feel comfortable.
And let us not forget firstly that this is a game and secondly all opinions or feeling exist.
:)
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lol@Saavedra
Why not bark to those companys who make WWⅡgames？or its just a mod so u can throw everything come out from your ass？The truth is most game studios would perfer red army rather than SS no matter whos asshole. ::)
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This is one f*cked up thread.
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They would prefer because Red Army won II WW. That's why. And Russiams were animals. They also came to "liberate" countries of Mid-Eastern Europe so well, that they didn't leave it in 50 years time.
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Since we may not add clearly (German law) units like the SS maybe a goed solution would be to make them appear with the typical camo unifom they were used to wear.
If I remember correctly, the Storm Troopers of the Blitzkrieg doctrine have the thunder-shaped "SS" in white on the collars of their jackets.
I think it would be fine if you just don´t use the skull motifs. Of course, whatever you do, someone is gonna throw a stink at it because most people can´t work out the difference between the Nazi political leaders and the German military, much less the differences between a Wehrmacht soldier and an SS soldier.
lol@Saavedra
Why not bark to those companys who make WWⅡgames？or its just a mod so u can throw everything come out from your ass？The truth is most game studios would perfer red army rather than SS no matter whos asshole. ::)
I´m not against not putting in the Waffen SS because of problems like size of the download, time and workload, and because simply there might be something more interesting to add. That´s fine, it´s perfectly understandable.
What´s not, is not putting them in because of hypocritical, simplistic "morality issues" boooo-boooo.
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@ Saavedra,
I think it is a good idea to create Waffen SS units without clear nazi symbols. Neither swastika nor SS runes nor dead heads...
When I have a look back at all the comments it appears clearly that the Ostheer has to propose within a doctrine or in the main units something related to the Waffen SS.
Speaking for myself I would add within a doctrine a type of units called Elite Troops or something like that.
I know that some people talk about the presence of foreign troops *(excellent idea) within one of the doctrines of the OstHeer. This is why I thik that we could do that too for the Waffen SS.
* Foreign troops for info were most of time sooner or later enlisted ( French = Charlemagne, British, Swedish,.. = Wiking, Belgian = Wallonie, etc) in the ranks of the Waffen SS. Do we have to forget the idea of creating those foreign troops because at a certain moment of the war the fought under the SS uniform ?
Have a nice day ;)
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I suspect the only people who oppose having the Waffen SS is germans because of the amazing "propaganda" against them by the germans themselves.
Waffen SS should be included because they played a major role, if that offends anyone than that is simply too bad.
The red army raped and pillaged its way to berlin and took all of eastern Europe as hostage after the war yet nobody seem to have a problem with a mod entirely dedicated to them.
I like to play realistic and historical accurate games that are not biased because some might be offended.
This is a WAR game, not hello kitty online.
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@ Saavedra,
I think it is a good idea to create Waffen SS units without clear nazi symbols. Neither swastika nor SS runes nor dead heads...
When I have a look back at all the comments it appears clearly that the Ostheer has to propose within a doctrine or in the main units something related to the Waffen SS.
I am fine with the SS runes because they are already in the game. On the Storm Troopers´ lapels. If you don´t think it´s wise to also include dead heads or swastikas... well, I find it prudish, but I´m fine with that. Iconography is not all there is to Waffen SS.
They had those awesome black uniforms, their fearsome aura, their excellent combat record late war (fun fact: early war, SS were shit)...
I suspect the only people who oppose having the Waffen SS is germans because of the amazing "propaganda" against them by the germans themselves.
Oh, that. That´s part of the alienation strategy taken since the Allied troops started entering Germany. Suddenly, there were no nazis anywhere. Nobody voted Hitler into power. And of course, Hitler and his cronies were aliens from Mars or something like that.
You can see this in the controversy surrounding the movie "Downfall". Some people didn´t like seeing that Hitler was human...
This is a WAR game, not hello kitty online.
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You can see this in the controversy surrounding the movie "Downfall". Some people didn´t like seeing that Hitler was human...
Yeah, that was pretty ludicrous. The Left has grown way too powerful in Germany by now - there's no balance between Left and Right, as in other countries.
And the Lefties always fear that, as soon as you depict any Nazi as anything but a baby-raping, uncharming asshole, you're downplaying the Nazis.
In my eyes, that makes the German people themselves look even worse. Because if you fall victim to an evil but charismatic charmer that's a lot more understandable that falling victim to an evil dick with no charisma at all..
It's reached the point of absurdity, really...
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In my eyes, that makes the German people themselves look even worse. Because if you fall victim to an evil but charismatic charmer that's a lot more understandable that falling victim to an evil dick with no charisma at all..
I couldn´t care less about such a thing being "understandable". There is a far, far bigger problem with that point of view, in my opinion. And it is that, when the next Hitler comes along, it will be harder to identify him as such when Hitler becomes an alien, or the Devil.
Not understanding, or downright denying, that Hitler was a human being is what will let the next genocidal asshole get away with it until it is too late. Because we won´t think that someone living in our time could be as evil as he was.
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Do you know the quote by Pastor Martin Niemöller about the passivity of the German people to counteract the Nazis?
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out.
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I've even heard about the German government hosting seminars and convention stating that even lowly Wehrmacht grunts were evil, black-hearted hell demons.
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Hi guys, in the game the Panzer Elite suppose to be the Panzergruppe Lehr, and it's historically correct faction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer-Lehr-Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer-Lehr-Division)
There were several SS-like battlegroups like the Grossdeuschland, Viking and others. It was a bit strange playing this faction, becouse in ww2 this division invaded my motherland... In the eastern front was a total war, there weren't rules, you fought for you're life. In the western front there were rules, but in East there weren't.
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Company of Heroes isn't meant, like any other video game, to teach you something about history.
It's the same as for movies, I personally hate those Hollywood movies. I hate them more than Hitler or Stalin.
How about a compromiss?
If Sturmtruppen in the German CoH version really have SS-runes on their uniform, I think it's fine if 1 or 2 Ostheer units have them, too. But please, for fucks sake, don't call them SS-Elitetroops or something similiar.
Leave the fucking SS out of the unit-name.
I feel like killing all persons on earth whenever I see a vid on youtube where those strange and fucked-up people wear SS-uniforms and think "they're cool".
Usually they don't know fuck about the Third Reich and just are kiddies.
And that freaks me up, I even want to kill all those retards from time to time... :o
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This thread really portrays the idiocy (and barinwashiness of German players, if that's a real word :P). Nobody understands.
THE SS AT AUSCHWITZ IS NOT THE SAME AS THE WAFFEN SS! Not even their uniforms. They are only related because of their section in the German military forces. The Waffen, contrary to popular belief, didn't wear the Swastika armbands and sleak black uniforms, they wore advanced camouflage patterns. The Waffen acted as the cutting edge of the German Heer on the front lines, not guards at concentration camps.
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So why not put them into one Ostheer doctrin but name them something like "Elite Grenadiers"?
I just fucking hate those freaking fuckheads who thinks it's cool to wear SS-uniforms.
EDIT: Sorry if that sounds a bit rude to some people, but that's the way it is. Third Reich is gone.
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So why not put them into one Ostheer doctrin but name them something like "Elite Grenadiers"?
I just fucking hate those freaking fuckheads who thinks it's cool to wear SS-uniforms.
I hate those that try to sugar coat games either just to make little Jews and overly paranoid German government officials happy. It's history, get over it.
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Some historically accuracies make the game fun.
If you were playing with Rangers in a WW2 game that used the Musket would it be as fun as the M1 Garand or Thomson?
If you saw the Elite Tank for Terror Doctrine was a tissue paper box with a toilet paper roll taped to the top and not a King Tiger
if you saw Cute Little Bunny Rabbit instead of IS-2
if you saw ELITE GERMAN SOLDIER MAN instead of Waffen SS?
The game isant a history lesson, no, but its based off of history. The fact that you cant look back at the SS and realize they ARE in fact history is childish and moronic.
the SS existed (a fact that you seem to need to come to terms with?), they took part on the eastern front, and i have absolutely no problem with them being in a video game.
Post Merge: January 26, 2010, 12:24:47 AM
So why not put them into one Ostheer doctrin but name them something like "Elite Grenadiers"?
I just fucking hate those freaking fuckheads who thinks it's cool to wear SS-uniforms.
I hate those that try to sugar coat games either just to make little Jews and overly paranoid German government officials happy. It's history, get over it.
This times 10,000
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Closed Topic. All that needs to be said has already been said.
WartyX