Civil wars....

[heinrich.rommel]

i have an idea for 1.05 )

would it be possible  (if only in single player skirmish games.....if not also multiplayer), to have civilian wars?

aka USA v USA etc...basicly any country vs any country )
could add a tick box Allow/ Disallow Civil Wars

just thinking :p 
ye ye i know historicaly isnt accurate...but thisi s a GAME
not a simulator per se

just ponder on it .....

[Narizna]

...meh

i don't like the idea, personally i don't see the fun of it.

you could go play a Civil War game though .

-Narizna

[hgghg4]

 it would be "Who can tech up fastest" and not really a good game

[Paciat]

Only in single player skirmish games.

It wouldnt take anything away from the game.

I also want Allied vs other Allied and PE vs Wehrmacht games, even if they wont be balanced (who needs balance when youre plaing AI).

[Cartoon Boy]

This idea has been floating around since the beginning of coh "Why no mirror games?", the answer? They are generally bad games.

[Seeme]

I like it, nothing to loose.

[Saavedra]

I like it, nothing to loose.

True. It´s not like the vCoH factions were created having in mind their weaknesses and strengths against the other factions.



Oh wait...

[Ost_Front_Soldat]

I like it, nothing to loose.

True. It´s not like the vCoH factions were created having in mind their weaknesses and strengths against the other factions.



Oh wait...

Personally, I think this idea is stupid, but like he stated, if it doesn't damage the original game, let them have what they want.

[Tim270]

This would open a huge can or worms balance wise.

[heinrich.rommel]

i see peeps bringing in the balance factor

yes, i m roughly a begginer.....but please do enlighten me - what EXACTLY is the balance issue in mirror matches ?!?!

in normal games, where a different civ faces another different one,  THERE are REAl balance issues!

else, all those patches are just  devs wating time ?!?   (retorical...ofc devs didnt waste time! was making a point)

in standard games, there ARE real problems (i.e. soviets at start in 1.01 patch now solved mostly)

but what issues in mirror games ?!?!
BOTH civs would have same weaknesses and strenghts!

it would ONLY come down to whoever has best military thinking,  be it teritory dominance, teching etc

i wouldnt be just techning, cause it useless o be top tech, and as a draw-back have only a handfull of units and thus, bearly any teritory , and thus, live inconstant fear  fear of beeing overrun by a vastly superior (tho quality inferior) enemy

so the point of ,,it would be dum|! jus ta tech race'' its moot
and i reckon that if me, as a begginer sees this, so do others

i think the REAL reason is somewhat more mundane ... HIPROCRISY 

why ?   because in mirror matches, it would hurt even more to lose!
   in different civs matching, one may (allbeit with low odds of success) conjure up the imbalance argument....

but there is no such argument in mirror matches!
thus, your own incompetence becomes 1000x more obvious!

thats why people hate the idea of mirror matches!

concrete example ---- someone who play russians alot, learn them very well, think they ve mastered it....then suddenly, face another human who prolly played another civ a long time, but that guy beats the living hell out of them ROFL

now hats gonna hurt the feelings of that guy who played russians a long time....

rationally ,that would be the only real reason to be against mirror matches .... there is no other objective one

[GodlikeDennis]

Just imagine it... defensive medic bunkers facing off against defensive medic bunkers. Or invisible super paks invalidating wehrmacht tanks like they do US ones. What would axis do endgame against each other? Would certainly be an interesting game.

Honestly it's not a terrible idea, but why waste time and money coding this in and since Relic didn't do this to begin with, asking them again won't change much.

[heinrich.rommel]

i wasnt asking Relic

but the E.F. guys

all they have to do is add a tick box Allow/ Disallow Mirrors

DONE!
who wants to play mirrors....plays...who doesnt...doesnt!
BOTH sides win ! NONE loses !

so...whats the harm !?
and no..i do NOT think it would be hard to add!
all it needs be done, is change the code that lets user select sides on the starting screeen, to allow for mirror matches, if the tick box is checked ,,yes''

regarding medic v medic issue.....you re fighting a warr with medics ?!
when you hear the attack warning...dont you normally zoom there and check things out ?!

and then decide what forces to send ?!
if you allow your medics to fight war for you other than them beeing attacked and normal defending.....just quit E.F. now and save yourself the embarassment

[Versedhorison]

I agree with there being a tick box option. People who want it can have it and people who don't want it don't have to do it. Everyone wins.

[hgghg4]

OK he brings up a good point with the endgame Wehrmacht....they are both gonna sit back and shoot at each other with Vet 3 gren blobs and PaK snipers.... two teams of equal skill level will eventually just say f-it and quit because the game lasted 3+ hours because neither can punch through... Grens get suppressed my MG Tanks get blown up by cloaked paks and Stukas counter battery  each other while trying to blow up defenses...  it wouldnt be a productive game, just a giant stalemate unless someone gets lucky...

[Seeme]

OK he brings up a good point with the endgame Wehrmacht....they are both gonna sit back and shoot at each other with Vet 3 gren blobs and PaK snipers.... two teams of equal skill level will eventually just say f-it and quit because the game lasted 3+ hours because neither can punch through... Grens get suppressed my MG Tanks get blown up by cloaked paks and Stukas counter battery  each other while trying to blow up defenses...  it wouldnt be a productive game, just a giant stalemate unless someone gets lucky...

Since when did 2 people have the same amout of skill? I like it because you its a challgene! No one factored that in. Plus you put grendairs with tanks so they dont get blown up, inf with tanks to take out the paks, and if the other player has the same and you two meet, well you got a big battle to commade with your skill and lets see who wins.