How can Werhmacht withstand the Russian Rush?

[courageouslion]

Hey Guys,

I just played the mod today (Kursk), and no matter what I did, I simply could not hold back the hordes of Russian soldiers.

I just simply cannot accumulate enough man power to train enough troops for domination of the map.

The only significant advantage the Germans have in the early game is the MG42hmg, but the russiana have so many rifleman they can outflank, mortar and snipe, forcing a retreat.

Once the mgs have retreated, it's simply impossible to retake lost points because they have too many units in position already.

The only alternative I can think of is to concentrate all units in one sector of the map and bunker that area with mgs and then to bring up snipers and bikes to kill mortar unit and to anti snipe.

Any other ideas? It's no wonder the Germans lost world war 2-there were simply too many russians.

[hgghg4]

belongs in the Tactics and Strategy section... but to answer your question... try this build order Bike Bike HMG Bike Volks MP40upgrade

[BlackDahliaMurder]

well, I play mostly 2v2 with a friend so each of us can concentrate on our special subject. for example i make only snipers while he keeps producing only volksgrenadiers and all that kind of other infantry. So we can combine a handful snipers + some infantry and that works very well together. finally when i have 10 snips, the russians will lose all direct infantry fights and will be forced to retreat (as long as there are still some russian survivers which is very seldom lol). afterwards my team mate can capture all enemy territories the russians have left. 

Of course, the Russian player also could make many snipers as well, even more than i have, however, most times i win the snip vs snip fights (i'm highly skilled in this haha)

i know it's kinda a noob tactic to spam with snipers, but with all due respect, the russians have mortars the strenght of a artilelry strike! so i think it's just fair

[Jagged]

Hey Guys,

I just played the mod today (Kursk), and no matter what I did, I simply could not hold back the hordes of Russian soldiers.

I just simply cannot accumulate enough man power to train enough troops for domination of the map.

The only significant advantage the Germans have in the early game is the MG42hmg, but the russiana have so many rifleman they can outflank, mortar and snipe, forcing a retreat.

Once the mgs have retreated, it's simply impossible to retake lost points because they have too many units in position already.

The only alternative I can think of is to concentrate all units in one sector of the map and bunker that area with mgs and then to bring up snipers and bikes to kill mortar unit and to anti snipe.

Any other ideas? It's no wonder the Germans lost world war 2-there were simply too many russians.

Do you have the latest patch 1.04?

[berni]

yeah, it sounds as if you are playing 1.00 where the soviets are like zergs and are everywhere obliviating all that exist. if you can hold ground against that you are a god:P

[userstupidname]

I always beat russians as well after a while i got vet 3 units pounding away, i hope you are not forgeting to vet your troops up?


I remember a PE (not wher but i digress) game where my allied player was a total idiot acting like a easy computer, however the thing is because the allied player can't retreat i spammed mp44 and hetzers (hetzer because the russians will eventually spam IS and of course it does not take fuel)

First in the beginning it was shaky but in the end when i got 4-5 mp44 with defence vet fully upgraded they just owned the soviet infantry.

Mean while my also fully upgraded hetzers pwned the IST's.


Winning the game with my allied base totally destroyed.

It was awesome game.

Games with russians are the most fun.

[hgghg4]

Marders are godlike with triple offensive vet against russian armor

[ThGermanElite]

I always play PE against Russians, but I always get a teammate that uses Wehr, 95% of my teammates used nothing but Vetted Volks. Use Some squads with Mp40s and some without (For flank support) The Mp40s rush in front of the regulars keeping the enemy away from the support squads, then have 1 or 2 bikes in reserve on the flanks, in case they make mortars.

[comrade2012]

attack them before they attack you. Defeat the Russians early before they get a chance to build up. you can get Stugs fairly ealry.

you can also just put up an awsome defense, and then hold them off long enough to get an attack force of Panthers

[Cranialwizard]

Pumas fare well against enemy infantry because of their effective OMGLULZ infantry gun, and nothing can really penetrate the armor early except PRTD and the ZIS.

If they start to break out tanks, strive for Pak38s and StuGs or higher.

HMGS do better in heavy cover than in buildings because they are made easy targets for conscript spams to strike at it.

Remember, any tactic you had in the previous original games MUST be re-worked because of the new units
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Addon: Basically, if you can survive early and part-mid game, you have the game in the bag, about the time that you get mid game, the CPU will most likely (I say 80%) will spam a doctrinal unit and drop ALL other production. Katyushas and Partisans are common, Mechanics have happened too. I've also seen a tank rider spam but once they all blew up the CPU went back to regular T-34s.

When they spam units, especially Katyushas, they won't use their abilities much (Excluding Mechanics, who will repair then fight) and instead, they'll march them towards you like they're gods. A Pak38 can take 2? maybe 1 shot and kill Katyushas, and the CPU won't maje ANYTHING but them.

[ThGermanElite]

Pumas fare well against enemy infantry because of their effective OMGLULZ infantry gun, and nothing can really penetrate the armor early except PRTD and the ZIS.

If they start to break out tanks, strive for Pak38s and StuGs or higher.

HMGS do better in heavy cover than in buildings because they are made easy targets for conscript spams to strike at it.

Remember, any tactic you had in the previous original games MUST be re-worked because of the new units
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Addon: Basically, if you can survive early and part-mid game, you have the game in the bag, about the time that you get mid game, the CPU will most likely (I say 80%) will spam a doctrinal unit and drop ALL other production. Katyushas and Partisans are common, Mechanics have happened too. I've also seen a tank rider spam but once they all blew up the CPU went back to regular T-34s.

When they spam units, especially Katyushas, they won't use their abilities much (Excluding Mechanics, who will repair then fight) and instead, they'll march them towards you like they're gods. A Pak38 can take 2? maybe 1 shot and kill Katyushas, and the CPU won't maje ANYTHING but them.

Yeah Pumas dont fare too well when the PTRDs come out, especially when they get the Vet 3 PTRDs.......I honestly think they should be nerfed.....PTRDs have 100% penetration percentage, and it gets annoying when these little pea shooters are taking down entire biuldings or destroying your Heavy Tanks from the front  (I.E. Panthers, Tigers,King Tigers,JagdPanthers),each hit is guarenteed damage and they are a bitch to kill.

[Versedhorison]

wat? U mad? very funny we all know anti tank rifles can't kill tanks without being killed themselves.

[comrade2012]

attack them before they attack you.

[TacticalNuke]

Yeah, that works if you enjoy the 20 minute game. I prefer to build up a large tank division and rush their base later on. They can take all the territory they want, but it wont help if you destroy them at home.

[Akalonor]

wat? U mad? very funny we all know anti tank rifles can't kill tanks without being killed themselves.

On the contrary , I have had Boys AT rifles take out Stugs and even Pz IV's in the right situations , the PTRD units can take out 234/1's almost easily.